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Centerforce DF (II)- Wire-weights system

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GRVIT

Centerforce DF (II)- Wire-weights system
« on: September 01, 2004, 06:02:30 PM »
I ve heard different opinion on this so I would like to see what most of think about it .The question is :

Do we need the wire -weight system on the pressure plate or not ?
I ve heard that some ppl cut it,some other dont.
I had a Centerforce DF II and I was very very happy with its performance.100% better than stock.But I faced the folowing problem.After some miles driving it became difficult to change gears.When I got it out to check it ,I noticed that some weights were touched by the throw out bearing.In addition,the wire was close to the center at one point,i.e not properly centered.I cut it and installed again the clutch without it.Everything was better but still I wasnt satisfied.Still had problems when trying to change gears.Dont know the reason that this happened.Still trying to figure it out.
Anyway,I believe that the Centerforce DF  is the best clutch system someone can install in his/her truck.In difficult terrain,many times the feeling was like something  was pushing the truck from behind to pass an obstacle(apart from the rear locker... ;))
.So ,again ,I m going to get a new one soon.

But ,do we need the wire -weight system ?If we cut it ,are there going to be any problems with the performance of the clutch ? And finally what is the wire-weight sytem  supposed to do ,practically speaking ?
Thanks
« Last Edit: September 01, 2004, 06:06:31 PM by GRVIT »

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Offline tonka-toy

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Re: Centerforce DF (II)- Wire-weights system
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2004, 08:14:42 PM »
hello apostolos ;D

i thought that the more revs the engine had the more the weights spun round and applied more pressure to the friction plate
removing them will turn it into a standard clutch basically.

are you sure the difficulty in changing gear is not dirt on the thrust bearing and not allowing it to travel fully.

open the lower crap plate and have someone sit in the truck with the engine running and place a hosepipe in the gap between the flywheel and the casing and wash the clutch out thouroughly. while the water is being forced into the housing have the person in the truck press and release the clutch all the time.
if i don't do this on tonka after playing in the mud, i loose the clutch quickly

hope this helps

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Re: Centerforce DF (II)- Wire-weights system
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2004, 08:46:12 AM »
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hello apostolos ;D

i thought that the more revs the engine had the more the weights spun round and applied more pressure to the friction plate
removing them will turn it into a standard clutch basically.

are you sure the difficulty in changing gear is not dirt on the thrust bearing and not allowing it to travel fully.

open the lower crap plate and have someone sit in the truck with the engine running and place a hosepipe in the gap between the flywheel and the casing and wash the clutch out thouroughly. while the water is being forced into the housing have the person in the truck press and release the clutch all the time.
if i don't do this on tonka after playing in the mud, i loose the clutch quickly

hope this helps

on a quick side note, doing this well the truck is in drive is NOT advised.  you better have some big tires so you clear the diff or a good creeper that can keep up with the speed of the sammy. ;D

stu
   

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Re: Centerforce DF (II)- Wire-weights system
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2004, 04:16:23 PM »
You forgot, and a long hose ;D
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Re: Centerforce DF (II)- Wire-weights system
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2004, 04:25:31 PM »
I would cut them off, a lot of people do,one less thing to worry about the better, my clutch only slips when I get heeps stuck in five feet of snow(trying to follow me) for a couple of hours, the kind that is real wet just befor spring, pulling out a 5000 pound rig with a 2500 pound rig gets old quick;D
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Re: Centerforce DF (II)- Wire-weights system
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2004, 04:47:13 PM »
well ,as I mentioned previously, I cut the wire -weight and installed the clutch again.I can say that I didnt see any difference in clamping performance.I dont think that those weights offer a significant result.I m not a mechanic though nor a Centerforce tech to know much about it,they should know better.But ,still,I cant say that I m persuaded about the wire-weight system performance.I think I m going to cut them off when I get the new clutch.
And I dont believe that when we cut the wire-weight,the clutch becomes almost standard.At least ,I didnt get that impression when I cut them off when I had the old clutch.