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bruceman

Learn me about the Sidekick
« on: February 02, 2009, 04:50:28 PM »
Are these the same as a Geo Tracker?
Are they all coil spring suspension?
Did all years come out with a hard top?
« Last Edit: February 03, 2009, 09:17:54 AM by bruceman »

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Re: Learn me about the Samurai / Sidekick
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2009, 04:59:26 PM »
Are these the same as a Geo Tracker?
Are they all coil spring suspension?
Did all years come out with a hard top?

No.  The Sidekick is the same as the Geo Tracker  Samurais have solid front axles. "Trackicks" have independent front suspensions


Only the "TracKick" has a factory coil spring suspension.  The Samurai (SJ-413) has a leaf spring suspension.  Newer versions of the Samurai - that are NOT AVAILABLE in the US - call the Jimny do have coil spring suspensions.


I believe that every year of Samurai and "Trackick" had a REMOVABLE hardtop. Samurais (in the USA) had a "tintop" version in the early models as did the "Trackicks"

I hope that this helps.
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Re: Learn me about the Sidekick
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2009, 09:20:25 AM »
Thanks that is really good info.  I now am only interested in the Sidekick.  What is the standard OEM ground clearance for a 2dr 4WD 1989 - 1994 model?  What is done to decrease this to around 5 inchs?
Purpose of lowering is not for looks and that crap, but for competing in rallycross.  The courses are not that rough but I certainly wouldn't need the standard height and lowerring it wouls help cornering.
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Re: Learn me about the Sidekick
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2009, 12:00:51 PM »
Someone on here had a lowering kit for sale a while back. If not on here ebay has lowering springs.
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Re: Learn me about the Sidekick
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2009, 12:44:12 PM »
Rallycross, very interesting  ;D

Stock ground clearance should be around 9" to the bottom of the frame. Dropping it 2" would be no big problem. Not sure how much you can change in the class you're competing in, but going as low as 4" lower than stock and keeping decent suspension travel will net in some major suspension work i would think.

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Re: Learn me about the Sidekick
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2009, 12:57:38 PM »
What is done to decrease this to around 5 inchs?

Get, or make, a shorter spring. Then deal with the off-camber issues you've created in the front.
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Re: Learn me about the Sidekick
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2009, 01:37:33 PM »
Rallycross...

Right after I first got my Samurai, I checked out a rally cross event near me.  When I asked if I could run my Samurai, I was told that the Samurai is not on the list of acceptable vehicles for use in "Sanctioned Rally Cross" events.

This could be BS, some sort of actual ruling based on the 1988 Consumer's Report review on the Samurai or an actual independent handling study by a Rallycross sanctioning organization. 

That said, if I were in your shoes, the first thing that I would do is contact the appropriate sanctionig organization and  see if the Tracker or the Sidekick are acceptable vehicles - by their definition - for Rallycross events.  There is a REAL possibility that they may not meet the required specifications - which would mean a large waste of time and money on your part if you went ahead and started preparing a Tracker or Sidekick for this purpose.

A Metro or Swift might be a better choice...  cheap plentiful and low to the ground!

Finally, I'm not trying to rain on your parade here - just pointing out the facts and sharing my limited experiences on the subject.


I hope that this helps!
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bruceman

Re: Learn me about the Sidekick
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2009, 04:29:12 AM »
Thanks for the information again.
I understand the current rules of the SCCA Rallycross events and while there maybe some issues with a standard Sidekick entering an event a modified version should not be an issue.  Dropping ride height 4 inchs would make suspension angles a challenge but for the class I am thinking of (modified) the rules are wide open for suspension modifications.
What about limited slip differentials?  I'm thinking they would be necesssary to improve cornering performance on slippery surfaces.  Are these available?  What size is the differential?  7 inch?  Not to sure how a "locker" would perform.

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Re: Learn me about the Sidekick
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2009, 08:32:57 AM »
Low Range Off-Road and Trail Tough both sell the Limited Slip lockers.  At this point the other after market companies probably have them as well.

Check your rules though, some say that your diff's have to have a factory configuration.  I'm not sure if a limited slip was ever available for the front end.
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Re: Learn me about the Sidekick
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2009, 08:36:02 AM »
Did the convertible/soft top models ever come with a detachable hard top?

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Re: Learn me about the Sidekick
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2009, 08:48:38 AM »
The 4wd differentials are different sizes (but the same ratio) from front to back.  The rear is larger - not sure what the size is - while the front is smaller and sits in an aluminum housing.  Both are, I believe, asian-built (maybe Asin?)

You might be able to adapt a limited slip Samurai differential into a sidekick/tracker front dif.  We do sidekick/tracker R&P swaps to samurai housings for the better gear ratios all the time.

Check with the popular vendors listed here for tracker/sidekick/samurai LS dif availability.

2-door sidekick/trackers are almost all soft-tops.  There were a few actual hard-tops early on in production for the US.  Detachable hard-tops were a common aftermarket option.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2009, 08:51:35 AM by ack »
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Re: Learn me about the Sidekick
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2009, 01:52:41 PM »
Someone on here had a lowering kit for sale a while back. If not on here ebay has lowering springs.

Send user 'DIGGER' a PM. He had a lowering kit for sale and I think he may still have it.

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Re: Learn me about the Sidekick
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2009, 03:58:02 PM »
Did the convertible/soft top models ever come with a detachable hard top?

Yes.

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Re: Learn me about the Sidekick
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2009, 05:45:15 AM »
Waste of money....buy a subaru.  Or an AWD talon...

Don't spend thousands of dollars to modify a sidekick just so you can qualify to rally it.  That's just goofy.