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Offline 4Zstracker

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Sway Bars
« on: June 07, 2009, 05:33:23 PM »
This probably a noob question, but here goes anyway; Do any of you guys running IFS Trackicks use Sway-bar disconnects? If so where can I find, or how can I make some? Or do y'all leave it connected, or just remove the Sway-bar?

Im running a 96 2 door, aprox 3.5'' lift in the front and 31" BFG m/t's. I run in light to medium rocks and desert most of the time. ;D

Oh and its my Daily Driver most of the time, so the sway-bar is kinda important for highway driving.
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Re: Sway Bars
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2009, 06:01:40 PM »
i have ran with a sway bar and with out a  sway bar.  i think it  works better with a sway bar.   
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Re: Sway Bars
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2009, 07:41:54 PM »
Mines gone and so is my brothers on his Cherokee, both driven daily. We  never missed 'em.
The flex is much better.  I'd yank 'em.
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Offline Drone637

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Re: Sway Bars
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2009, 10:36:42 PM »
We noticed a bit more body roll on BRD HNTR's tracker with the sway bar pulled off, so we put it back on.  We just keep a 14mm wrench in the glove box to pull it off once we go to hit the trails.  As long as you are on level ground it pops right back in place.
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Re: Sway Bars
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2009, 12:42:41 AM »
We noticed a bit more body roll on BRD HNTR's tracker with the sway bar pulled off, so we put it back on.  We just keep a 14mm wrench in the glove box to pull it off once we go to hit the trails.  As long as you are on level ground it pops right back in place.

hey, whereabouts do you disconnect the sway bar with the 14mm ?

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Re: Sway Bars
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2009, 03:35:04 PM »
I took mine off....it's way better out on the trails, and I can't even tell it's not there when I'm on the road.

I can corner like an F1 car with my 2" coil spacers and 30" all terrain tires.....no tire noise...and no fear of flipping it over.

I personally think an "anti" sway bar on a track/kick is just silly.  They're too small and lightweight to really NEED one.   All it does is prevent the suspension from doing it's job, which is what you DON'T want out on the trails.   I still have mine, but I don't plan on putting it back on anytime soon.

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Re: Sway Bars
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2009, 04:24:04 PM »
I would not drive at highway speeds with the sway bar removed - try a sharp left/right/left swerve at about 30 mph or so with and then without the sway bar - I'll bet you can tell the difference afterwards.
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Re: Sway Bars
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2009, 04:33:04 PM »
I have no sway bar anymore. It is a little "freeer" in the front but I'd never put it back on.
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Re: Sway Bars
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2009, 04:41:55 PM »
I would not drive at highway speeds with the sway bar removed - try a sharp left/right/left swerve at about 30 mph or so with and then without the sway bar - I'll bet you can tell the difference afterwards.

If you don't know what to expect.....you will have the same result in almost any vehicle.  That probably isn't a very good example....sway bar or not, don't deliberately swerve left to right at any speed.   

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Re: Sway Bars
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2009, 04:42:38 PM »
hey, whereabouts do you disconnect the sway bar with the 14mm ?

Underneat the A-arms you can pull the nut, washer and rubber bushing off.  If you do it on both sides you can then push the sway bar up and out of the way.  You need to do it to both sides and be on level ground to remove it.  just make sure you keep track of all the pieces to put it back together.
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Re: Sway Bars
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2009, 05:33:03 PM »
Clock me in strongly on the pro-anti-swabar side of the ledger.

Not only is there an obvious handling difference on the road (and, come on... if GM/Suzuki/every modern automaker thought it didn't serve any purpose, they'd for damned sure save the pennies and leave it off), I upped mine to the thicker XL-7 one.

Off-road, it's completely counterproductive.  A quick-disconnect solution would be awesome.

And now I'll leave the argument.
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Re: Sway Bars
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2009, 05:45:31 PM »
If you don't know what to expect.....you will have the same result in almost any vehicle.  That probably isn't a very good example....sway bar or not, don't deliberately swerve left to right at any speed.   

Alright, I'll step back in for a sec...  Your entire comment is complete baloney and crappy advice.  Deliberately swerving is DEFINITELY the way you want to do it the first time, and will go a long way to preventing someone from not knowing what to expect.  The last thing you want to do is be surprised how your car/truck is going to handle when doing it in an emergency.  And yes, there is a distinct difference with and without the bar.  Whether or not you're cool with that difference is up to you, but advising someone to introduce the handling difference, and then advising them to never experience it for himeself under controlled conditions, is spectacularly irresponsible.
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Re: Sway Bars
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2009, 07:16:03 PM »
I never told anyone to take their bars off....I only stated that I took mine off....and I personally think they're silly on such a small, underpowered vehicle.....AND, you'll get nearly the same result in almost any vehicle by deliberately swerving on the road at highway speeds....(by which I mean loss of control and ultimately crashing), so I said "don"t do it.

How is that baloney, and spectacularly irresponsible?


I can be pretty hard on my own vehicles....and I probably push them to their limits occasionally....but I'm sure there's a majority of people that don't generally have access to a closed course in which they can test their cars for all sorts of unpredictable situations.   How many people do you know that even know the differences in all the kinds of oversteer there is...hell, I can only name a couple off the top of my head.(power oversteer, lift-off oversteer...?)

All of what I just said is the reason I said "don't deliberately swerve at high speeds".  I'm not trying to fight....just prevent someone from getting hurt. 

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Re: Sway Bars
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2009, 09:20:51 PM »
If you don't know what to expect.....you will have the same result in almost any vehicle.  That probably isn't a very good example....sway bar or not, don't deliberately swerve left to right at any speed.   

Which is why I suggested that the test be done at a relatively low speed - you will find out under controlled conditions what to expect with the sway bar removed.

You may be comfortable with the handling of your vehicle without the sway bar, but are you in control over the circumstances under which it is being operated?

I'd like to share a little story - a true one - that will explain why I feel the way I do, and why I made the suggestion that I did.

A couple of decades back, I had a station wagon on which I was doing some work, and I had removed the sway bar - it didn't seem to affect the handling significantly, and since I needed to make a short trip (just around 25 miles) on the weekend I figured I would drive it anyway

Three adults and one child in the vehicle, I was overtaking a slower moving truck on a two lane road, doing maybe 45 mph, and I had to make some sort of evasive maneuver, I don't recall why, but I do recall the result - the wagon swayed wildly back and forth, and it was by the grace of God that I did not lose control and end up under the wheels of the truck.

As a result of that incident I DO know what to expect with & without the sway bar - and I WILL NOT operate a vehicle at highway speeds with the sway bar removed.

Also for what it's worth - over the years I have routinely done that left/right/left swerve (except that since we drive on the left here it's actually a right/left/right) - you don't have to saw the wheel back and forth, just rock it - it does a couple of things, I can judge the condition of the steering, the suspension and the wheel bearings all at one go.

Now - tell me - are you operating that vehicle without the sway bar on the public thoroughfare?  And if the answer is yes - please also tell me which state you are in - so I can stay out of your way, because heaven forbid you need to take any sort of evasive action at any reasonable speed - I'd much rather myself and family not be in the immediate vicinity.

Anyone else wants advice on removing the swaybar - I invite you to try that little test, and when you're done, and you know how the vehicle will react, think about the vehicle's normal role - Is it a daily driver?  will it see highway (high speed) use?  Will you be the only driver?  At the end you'll be able to make your own, informed decision.
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Re: Sway Bars
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2009, 10:47:32 PM »
Hey guys, dint mean to get anybody fired up.

Drone, you say that you remove the nuts at the bar ends under the control arms, right. So do you just leave the bar hanging loose then, or do you secure it up out of the way somehow?

I personally think for safety reasons I would like to keep my sway bar functional, since this is a daily driven vehicle. So some way of disconnecting it quickly and then reconnecting easily is what i think Im after. Altering a safety device can be inherently dangerous and I would personally like to avoid doing so.
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