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Offline paps133

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ok guys, water prevention help needed.
« on: August 16, 2004, 02:21:43 AM »
Ok guys, I have a few questions.

I’m so lost, my truck is acting up I went into a water pit yesterday, nothing to deep, but I went into it fast, my engine got covered in water, and then stopped running.

I didn’t have spark at my wire ends, but had a very weak spark at my coil.

After a few minutes of letting it sit there, it started right up. But after a little bit it started puttering, almost like it wasn’t getting gas or air, or spark. It didn’t stall out, but  puttered. After a while my truck ran right as if nothing had happened.

Can someone plz help. What can I do to prevent this from happening again? I have a snorkel, my distributor is sealed, my wire are also sealed, now what could it be my coil maybe??? Or what about alternator getting wet.

I’m lost plz help. If you can think of any thing drop a line, Pierre :p

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Offline jerryp58

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Re: ok guys, water prevention help needed.
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2004, 04:09:50 AM »
Moisture inside the distributor cap?
Jerry
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Offline Yellow Fever

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Re: ok guys, water prevention help needed.
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2004, 04:14:59 AM »
The most likely area of a problem is the ignition system.





Even thought the distributor cap is sealed you still have to consider that getting water over the cap itself and onto the outside of the cap, the hi tension ( spark plug and coil wires) , even down to the wire areas that lead to the spark plugs themselves. Also consider the nice steam bath that everything in the engine compartment received as that steaming water sizzled off of the exhaust manifold  and pipes.















If you let it sit for a few minutes the heat off the engine probably dryed things off, and then it started up, made more heat and then continued to dry things up for you.  When you have 25,000 - 35,000 volts on the secondary system, it still will always look for the path of least resistance and the water provides the path.





The other problem to consider is condensation within the distributor and the inside of the distributor cap itself. Take a nice warm surface inside of the cap, and distrubutor,  suddenly chill the outside down, ( like the spashing water) , and you now have condensation inside the cap etc. Also remember that as the secondary voltage travels down the wrong path, whether it is inside the cap, the spark plug boot, or even down the outside of the spark plug insulator, it will likely leave a permanent carbon path.  It will look just like someone used a pencil and drew a line on the surface. Once its there it is almost always permanent.















The best way to stop all of this from occuring is prevention. ( now I sound like a doctor). Best thing would be to keep the water from spashing onto the ignition system, ie splash shields etc. Next would be to have good quality plug wires cap rotor etc. that have nice tight water sealed connections. Keep a can of W.D. 40 handy, as the water dispersent ( that why they call it W.D.) qualities are very good.















  It is a good idea to occasionally spray the plug wires near the spark plugs, and the distribitor cap area, and then blow off the excess with compressed air. Next time you sink the engine in water, give it a few minutes to let the the water drip off, and the engine heat to help dry things up. Opening the hood would help to let the water and steam escape. Remove the dirtibutor cap, spray the inside of the cap, rotor etc,  and then use compressed air or a rag to mop up the excess WD40. Spray the wires, and especially the area when the water works it way down to like the area near the spark plugs. Try and remove the excess W.D. 40 after spraying, and this will take away the water too.















A couple of additional tips that I have seen that work. One time when I was at a mud race ( that had serveral deep water holes) I watched as a mother that ended up selling an entire box of clean huggies for $5.00 each.  You can laugh at this , but a huggie wrappped around the vulnerable distributor cap provided a water proof insulator, that has some velco that made it fit almost any distrubutor cap around!  Another couple of improvements is electric coolong  fans instead of the water pump driven fan that does sprays water all over the place as you are revving that engine up, and the fan is spraying water all over the engine.  Distrutorless ignitions ($$$)  with individual coils are another luxury the ends the problem of water condensation in the cap.







Sorry for the typo errors, as I have to head off to work.



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Offline xamtex

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Re: ok guys, water prevention help needed.
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2004, 07:36:33 AM »
i spray my leads with silicon grease.i put a blob of silicon grease in each plug lead before fitting them to the plugs.i spray the cap with silicon grease.there is a small breather pipe on top of the cap,it should have a rubber bit on top,i put a blob of silicon on that too.

there is a rubber seal between the cap and the dizzi,make sure this is in good condition and properly positioned before fitting the cap.

i then cover the cap in clingfilm or plastic bags tied securly with zip ties.

i do the same with the coil,silicon grease spray and plastic film.

i run a kenlowe leccy fan which i can switch off when wading.

i can power wash my engine and it just sits there ticking over.

before i go offroading i get a bucket of water and pour it over the engine to make sure its gonna work.

some pro s pipe low pressue compressed air into the breather pipe on the dizzi cap to keep the dizzi under posotive pressue so no water can get in.



i also have a snorkel on the airintake and all the axle and transmission breathers are piped up to roof level.

my zook can literally drive submerged. ;D
god must love crazy people,he made so many of them!!!

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Re: ok guys, water prevention help needed.
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2004, 05:24:48 PM »
Ditto's to Xamtex, I like to use silicone grease
between the cap and gasket and dizzy, then
spray the cap with silicone spray, and grease
the plug and cap wire ends, I don't use any
plastic under the hood as the turbo gets really
hot and seems to attract anything that can burn
and make smoke  ;)

I have never stalled in any water holes, look
at the mud bath pic Heather got of me on the
Moab Chicken Corners run  ;D  never missed a beat

Wild
« Last Edit: August 16, 2004, 05:25:46 PM by wildgoody »
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