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two wheel low/twin stick? For track/kick
« on: July 13, 2009, 12:23:09 PM »
I looked into Evil Twin for Samurais and like the concept.  I read the article about RRO's 2wheel low kit.  But couldn't find it on their website. 
I want to flat tow my Tracker, so the "true" neutral concept is interesting.  And 2wheel low would be very useful too...
INPUT? OPINIONS?
Cause I can't find much more info and products for a Tracker/Sidekick
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Re: two wheel low/twin stick? For track/kick
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2009, 12:35:49 PM »
I'm not sure there is a twin stick kit for the Trackers.

For towing you don't have to disconnect the rear driveshaft, according to the manual normal neutral is fine.  They do recommend that you have manual hubs though so you can leave the front wheels in the unlocked mode.

The reason to put the Samurai in a true neutral when towing was an oiling issue.  For normal flat towing a Sammy they recommend you stop every 200 miles and running the engine in 1st gear with the transfer case still in neutral for 5 minutes or so to re-oil the transfer case.
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Re: two wheel low/twin stick? For track/kick
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2009, 02:09:16 PM »
The reason to put the Samurai in a true neutral when towing was an oiling issue.  For normal flat towing a Sammy they recommend you stop every 200 miles and running the engine in 1st gear with the transfer case still in neutral for 5 minutes or so to re-oil the transfer case.

Unless I'm very much mistaken the recommendation for flat towing a Tracker is very similar - I know it is for the Grand Vitara.
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Re: two wheel low/twin stick? For track/kick
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2009, 02:19:28 PM »
I use to flat tow my tracker I just put the tcase in neutral and away I went never had any problems with it.
95 geo tracker sas with dana 30,35 axles 3.55 gears, 33 tsl's, 3 and 4 link suspension. stock motor trans, tcase has 4.24:1 reduction kit.

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Re: two wheel low/twin stick? For track/kick
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2009, 02:33:49 PM »
I have flat towed our Tracker for over 40,000 miles.  The real problem I have found flat towing the Tracker is when the transfer case is in neutral it is in 4 wheel drive neutral meaning if the rear dif is turning then the front diff is also turning even if the hubs are free wheeling.  This resulted in several worn out CV boots with our lifted Tracker until I made my own twin stick shifter. Now I can put the transfer case in 2 wheel drive neutral and I just got back from a 6,000 mile trip to Moab UT and Colorado flat towing the Tracker and the CV boots are in fine condition.

I also really liked being able to use 2 wheel drive low range in some trails this summer.  It is a nice option when wheeling.





(In the past people have argued with me about the 4 wheel drive neutral causing the front axles to turn when towing.  If you don't believe me go out to your Tracker put the transfer case in neutral, crawl under your Tracker and try to turn the front drive shaft.  You can't because it is linked to the rear driveshaft inside the transfer case.)
« Last Edit: July 13, 2009, 03:04:14 PM by skitime »

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Re: two wheel low/twin stick? For track/kick
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2009, 03:17:03 PM »
Anyone know how to get the RRO 2Wheel Low kit like the article describes?
http://www.zukiworld.com/month_120103/feature_rro2wdlowkit.htm
Yeah the owner's manual states to flat tow with:
TRANS-2ND
T-CASE-NEUTRAL
Holy hell Skitime that looks amazing!!!  How did you do that?
God put me on earth to accomplish a certain number of things.  Right now I am so far behind, I will never die.
90 Tracker LSi 2dr tintop 5spd: slow toy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 08 Pontiac G8 GT: fast toy
90 Tracker LSi 2dr 5spd: SOLD.......95 Tracker 2dr 5spd: parts..........90 Sidekick JX 5spd: HI, my name's DJ and I have an addiction.........93 Tracker 2dr 2wd 5spd: PS donor/poss. 4x4 swap from 95 parts

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Re: two wheel low/twin stick? For track/kick
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2009, 03:50:59 PM »

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Re: two wheel low/twin stick? For track/kick
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2009, 04:01:12 PM »
Anyone know how to get the RRO 2Wheel Low kit like the article describes?
http://www.zukiworld.com/month_120103/feature_rro2wdlowkit.htm
Yeah the owner's manual states to flat tow with:
TRANS-2ND
T-CASE-NEUTRAL
Holy hell Skitime that looks amazing!!!  How did you do that?


I adapted a Toyota twin stick setup. I developed the adapter and a CAD drawing for Front Range, hoping  would sell them but he has not made any yet.  http://frontrangeoffroadfab.com/nfoscomm/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=36&osCsid=75a585f8f3ec9926789adcba46a46fff

If you really want to have 2 wheel drive neutral the easy way is to disassemble your tranfer case, remove one dedent ball between the shift rails and then use a angle grinder to cut one new cutout on the left rail.  I was going to go that way but decided to develop the twin stick.

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Re: two wheel low/twin stick? For track/kick
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2009, 12:55:49 AM »
Yes that looks quite amazing and I like how it comes right out of the factory shifter boot opening.  Damn I'm gonna have to ask for pictures later on down the road if that's the way I decide to do it, cause nobody else offeres anything that comes close
God put me on earth to accomplish a certain number of things.  Right now I am so far behind, I will never die.
90 Tracker LSi 2dr tintop 5spd: slow toy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 08 Pontiac G8 GT: fast toy
90 Tracker LSi 2dr 5spd: SOLD.......95 Tracker 2dr 5spd: parts..........90 Sidekick JX 5spd: HI, my name's DJ and I have an addiction.........93 Tracker 2dr 2wd 5spd: PS donor/poss. 4x4 swap from 95 parts

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Re: two wheel low/twin stick? For track/kick
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2009, 01:11:07 AM »
I use low range in 2 wheel drive all the time in my stock Tracker, when I don't feel like getting out to lock the hubs on a short tricky hill or something.  Works fine as long as you don't thrash it.

I also had a Ford Bronco 2 break a universal on the rear driveshaft...so I locked the hubs and drove in 4wd(essentially front wheel drive) for about 2 months. =)

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Re: two wheel low/twin stick? For track/kick
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2009, 02:56:03 AM »
I used the Dana twinstick boot in conjunction with the standard boot. Apart from Stan (37kicker), Rock4xfabrication (rockrat) also offers a twinstick for a Kick too.

This in mine.

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Re: two wheel low/twin stick? For track/kick
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2009, 05:25:59 AM »
man I would love to have a twin stick or the 2wd low kit. anyone have a write up on how to do it or anything?
95 geo tracker sas with dana 30,35 axles 3.55 gears, 33 tsl's, 3 and 4 link suspension. stock motor trans, tcase has 4.24:1 reduction kit.

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Re: two wheel low/twin stick? For track/kick
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2009, 06:01:05 AM »
I'm not sure there is a twin stick kit for the Trackers.


Yes, Virginia, there IS a Tracker TwinStick!

Although it is not on the site, a Tracker Twinstick is in production!

http://www.rock4xfabrication.com/

email or call Scott.
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Re: two wheel low/twin stick? For track/kick
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2009, 10:33:38 AM »
I PM'ed Stan (37Kicker).  Has anyone installed his or Rock4x (rockrat)'s twin stick?  I'm wondering how complicated it might be.  The case has to be split, so I might either do it now with the 4.24 kit or wait another year or so.  Haven't even tried driving it yet so I don't even know what the 1.82 feels like!
God put me on earth to accomplish a certain number of things.  Right now I am so far behind, I will never die.
90 Tracker LSi 2dr tintop 5spd: slow toy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 08 Pontiac G8 GT: fast toy
90 Tracker LSi 2dr 5spd: SOLD.......95 Tracker 2dr 5spd: parts..........90 Sidekick JX 5spd: HI, my name's DJ and I have an addiction.........93 Tracker 2dr 2wd 5spd: PS donor/poss. 4x4 swap from 95 parts

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Re: two wheel low/twin stick? For track/kick
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2009, 11:30:21 AM »
Visiting with rockrat at the 'melt this last weekend, he indicated that his unit does not require the buyer to weld the shifter arms on before installation.  I understand that welding may be necessary with the Evil Twin units.
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