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Offline jerryp58

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Re: Loud weird noise on start up
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2004, 05:12:09 AM »
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IF it's an oil starvation problem


Could you check this by pouring some oil in right before startup?
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Re: Loud weird noise on start up
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2004, 06:03:47 PM »
Well, it's not that kind of starvation,
but a lack of oil where it needs to be
under pressure.

Did you try a Napa Gold or WIX oil
filter, and are you using a Fram POS
filter ???

Fram is the biggest POS oil filter, buy
a Wix or a Napa Gold filter, and see
if your noise goes away

Wild

PS. I just said buy, but you got to
install it too  ;)
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Re: Loud weird noise on start up
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2004, 11:46:46 PM »
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PS. I just said buy, but you got to
install it too  ;)



  Yeah, LOL I kinda guessed you meant that.   ::)

 I've always used Purolater oil filters, and never had it this bad until now.  I just parked it down hill onthe drive way instead of up hill, I'll see if it makes a diffrence.  

    Oh btw, I've never used a Fram on this, after all the things I've sen online and what not, I'm surprised their still in bussness.  I  thought someone had mentioned a bad cam bearing, what do you think ???  Dave
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Re: Loud weird noise on start up
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2004, 08:07:53 AM »
I had a car that had a similar problem and it turned out to be a bad engine mount.  When the engine first started it shook enough to make the fan hit the shroud.  
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Re: Loud weird noise on start up
« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2004, 05:58:55 PM »
I wouldn't think cam bearings at 49K miles,
I could see a bad/faulty timing chain tensioner.

I have a 98' Cavalier that makes timing chain
tensioner noise on startup, it sounds like a Diesel
so it's not just a little noise, but as soon as pressure
comes up, the tensioner takes up the slack and all
goes quiet.

Wild
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Re: Loud weird noise on start up
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2004, 10:39:41 PM »
Well, the only thing is, is that it only does it cold and only once, in other words, if I fire it up and it makes the noise (yeah, does sound like a diesel) if I shut it down imediately, and then start it again it's quiet.  It's only on the initial start up and after it's been sitting.  Do you think the timing chain tensioner would do it every time no matter what??  Do you think it's bad, or just one of those things that are annoying that I can live with? ???
Dave ;D
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Re: Loud weird noise on start up
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2004, 06:14:33 AM »
The Cavalier needs to sit for a while
before it does it again, does your engine
have a chain too, or a rubber belt ???

I think if it is the tensioner, you can live
with it, it doesn't take much slack to get
noisy, I had to replace the water pump, which
has a sprocket that is driven off of the chain,
so I had to remove the whole front of the engine
to get the tensioner out, it was never noisy before
this, so I know it's somthing I did, but it took 8
hours to replace the pump so F that I'm letting it
make noise.

The tensioner said on it see service manual for
instructions on re-setting it, but I didn't have one
so I just stuck it back together, I don't know how
you would have to re-set this, but there must be
something to it.

Is your Trucklet still under warantee ???  Might be
able to get the dealer to replace the tensioner and
stop the noise.

Good Luck

Wild
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Re: Loud weird noise on start up
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2004, 06:22:01 PM »
Thanks Wild ;D  The warrenty is over, kinda strange, Chevy, Suzuki, same truck diffrent warrenty.  It does have chain drive. (Which I thought, great no more timing belt worries ;D  Oh well.)  If it isn't serious I'm not going to worry about it.  It just didn't do it all the time, now it's every day pretty much.  Can't figure it out.  But once underway it's fine.  These Zuke motors are pretty much bullit proof.  I thought about a thicker oil (still using 5-30) But they strongly recomend not using anything heavier, due to the tighter tollerances and what not so for now I'll just live with it.  Thanks!! ;D  And if any other thoughts, just let me know.
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Re: Loud weird noise on start up
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2004, 07:05:48 PM »
In my old drag racing days we had a can with a spring loaded diaphram in it that would tee into the oil sending unit with a valve under it, rev the engine up close the valve, next time you go to start it open the valve and hit the key and just keep repeating the process. almost zero engine wear, you could use a solenoid instead of the valve.  just a thought, some body prob. still sells them!
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Re: Loud weird noise on start up
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2004, 05:13:34 PM »
     I remember a freind of my Dads bought a brand new 87 Chevy crew cab 4X4 with a 454 fuelie.  First year for the fuelie, and he had a switch rigged up so that after oil changes he could cut out the ignition and just slowly crank it over with the starter motor to slowly get the oil up.  I just wish I knew what this was, I'm not in the mood to go tearing anything apart. ::)
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Re: Loud weird noise on start up
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2004, 02:22:36 PM »
He probably cut voltage to the coil. (That was a popular anti-theft device years ago... hide a switch under the dash.)
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Re: Loud weird noise on start up
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2004, 09:38:12 AM »
Hey I got to thinking, I know that Suzuki recomends using nothing thicker than 5-30 oil, but do you think I should try a little thicker oil like 10-30?  I know that these newer motors have tight clearances and thats why they call for a thinner oil, have any of you with a 99 or up 2.0 used a thicker oil like 10-30?  MAybey I shouldn't go for it, I also thought of using Lucas oil aditive, it works good, keeps oil coating on everything, but Suzuki STRONGLY advises against using ANY kind of additives.  Any thoughts?????  And again, thanks for looking in and replying, I appreciate the ideas. ;D

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Re: Loud weird noise on start up
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2004, 04:40:39 PM »
Bobzooki said he used heavier oil
and ended up with a stretched timing
chain, which was a PITA to change.

I don't think it's the tight tollerences
that require 5-30 oil, but it's a milage
thing, heavier oils create more oil pump
drag which reduces you milage, the side
affect in the Zook motor could be timing
chain wear/stretch

I don't think you should change oil weight,
I think you should use a good quality
4 cylinder recommended oil

Wild
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Re: Loud weird noise on start up
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2004, 12:16:29 AM »
Well, I like to use Castrol, we've had it in our cars for I'd have to say 15 years or so, we had a Ford Festiva that ran forever with it, and all our 4 cyl cars and truck too for that matter.  So, I don't think it's that.  I definitely don't want to go streatching any timing chains.  What do you think of using Lucas oil additive??? ???
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Re: Loud weird noise on start up
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2004, 04:24:53 AM »
I like it, but I don't think that's
your solution, this might be a
normal cold start noise, if you
are worried about metal to metal
contact, then you could try a little,
but it will thicken the oil just like
using a heavier weight of motor oil,
so use with caution. I don't think
short term use will cause a chain
to stretch, so you could try it and
see, then change the oil the next day
if it doesn't help.

Wild
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