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Offline paps133

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need more flex!!!
« on: July 19, 2004, 03:10:01 PM »
i wanted to get more flex out of my truck, it had a 3"bl, but i wanted to get the frame higher, and add more articulation. I don't really want to add coil spacer because that just lifts it right???? it doesnt give you flex, or does it???  I know i could get a lift from calmini but it's not in my founds at the moment. thanks pierre

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Re: need more flex!!!
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2004, 03:47:32 PM »
The 3" bl gave you the room to add larger tires. It has nothing to do with the suspension and it's cycle. The cycling of the suspension can be considered articulation at it's fullest point. So to get the most articulation with the larger tires, you'll need to determine where to stop the compression on both front and rear axles, to keep the tires off the sheetmetal. This is best done without the coil on the axle. The coil is not a link component of the suspension so it's not necessary for this measuement.
At this point measure the distance that rear shock must be. Subtract 1/2" if the axle is sitting on the collapsed bump stop, subtract 1" if it's not. (You may have to 'adjust' the bump stop lower to keep the tire off the body.) Consider this to be the minimal shock compression for the rear. Now go find the larger traveling shock with this minimal compression measurement that would mount into your frame mounts. Note: your original shock is rather small in diameter. Any larger diameter shock will interfere with the axle, mount, etc.
As for the front, you're rather limited to the operational angles of the cv axles. You could just flip the upper mount and be done with it, but you'd be better off to do the same type of measurement as you did in the back.

Once all this is determined, don't forget to look at your brake lines, parking brake lines, tie rods, control arm bushings, driveshafts, u-joints, and anything else which is linked to the axles. Any maintenance necessary is best to be performed at this time also. Otherwise, it could place you in a bad situation.

Hope this helps.
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Re: need more flex!!!
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2004, 05:43:35 PM »
Very good info Jagular.

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i wanted to get more flex out of my truck, it had a 3"bl, but i wanted to get the frame higher, and add more articulation. I don't really want to add coil spacer because that just lifts it right? it doesnt give you flex, or does it  I know i could get a lift from calmini but it's not in my founds at the moment. thanks pierre


Nope the coil spacers would give you lift, but without adding longer shocks, like Jagular mentioned, it would flex the same.  

The front end is a lot trickier to work with because the CV angles play the limiting role.  You could experiment by making 1" strut spacers and flipping the mount plate, but if you over rotate your CV's it could prove disasterous.

Just my 2 cents.

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Re: need more flex!!!
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2004, 02:34:50 AM »
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i wanted to get more flex out of my truck, it had a 3"bl, but i wanted to get the frame higher, and add more articulation. I don't really want to add coil spacer because that just lifts it right???? it doesnt give you flex, or does it???  I know i could get a lift from calmini but it's not in my founds at the moment. thanks pierre


Need? Maybe want? :) :) Another option or path to consider is going with some traction aiding modifications such as lockers, lower gears, 'sticky' tires and beadlocks... These are just some ideas. IMHO Massive flex is not all it is cracked up to be... Don't get me wrong flex is good. But stability should be first on the list...

Having said that, I believe there is a rear shock change that will yield more travel (try search). Finding a longer Strut could help the front.

Good Luck & YMMV, Eric
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Re: need more flex!!!
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2004, 03:03:31 AM »
Where could i get this strut and what kind is it? I plan on adding a winch bumper, and i was wondering what kind od springs could i get to hold up the front end, an after market spring, or something that will add flex and hold up the bumper. thanks sorry about the noob questions pierre

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Re: need more flex!!!
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2004, 03:25:52 AM »
The Calmini 3" Kit is designed for the extra weight of a winch, bumper, cage, etc...  But if you are not wanting to do a Kit I have heard of people using 4 door Kick front springs to balance out the extra wright of a winch and bumper. I believe that the Old Man Emu struts are a little longer than stock struts.

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Re: need more flex!!!
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2004, 04:37:35 AM »
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Need? Maybe want? :) :) Another option or path to consider is going with some traction aiding modifications such as lockers, lower gears, 'sticky' tires and beadlocks... These are just some ideas. IMHO Massive flex is not all it is cracked up to be... Don't get me wrong flex is good. But stability should be first on the list...

Having said that, I believe there is a rear shock change that will yield more travel (try search). Finding a longer Strut could help the front.

Good Luck & YMMV, Eric

True True. We used to take my tracker thru stuff that you would not beleive. All my tracker had was a Ome lift and some mickey MTX's on it. I feel it's funner to wheel a stocker. I say get rid of the bodie lift and sprint for the emu or maby the calmini 2in. I say the two 2in becouse the 3in is just to much money to gain one inch :-/.

just my 2cent.

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Re: need more flex!!!
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2004, 05:00:38 AM »
Longer struts are expensive. The stock strut has 2" of unused travel with the wishbone hard up against the bumpstop. Lowering the top of the strut with a 2" spacer releases that travel. The CVs should be OK but if you do this with stock springs you will have to check that the springs won't fall out (I've omly done this with +2" lift). Jagular2 is correct, thats is the way to go about this but remember that the rear axle tilts as well as moving up and down so the top of the tyre points inward towards the body. Watch out for the rear axle top mount and breather pipe.
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