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NEWS: Administration Proposes New Logging Rules
« on: July 12, 2004, 10:23:30 AM »
Administration Proposes New Logging Rules
Jul 12, 5:06 PM (ET)
APNEWS: By BOB FICK


BOISE, Idaho (AP) - The Bush administration Monday proposed lifting a national rule that closed remote areas of national forests to logging, instead saying states should decide whether to keep a ban on road-building in those areas.

Environmentalists immediately criticized the change as the biggest timber industry giveaway in history.

Under the proposal, governors would have to petition the federal government to block road-building in remote areas of national forests. Allowing roads to be built would open the areas to logging.

The rule replaces one adopted by the Clinton administration and still under challenge in federal court. It covers about 58 million of the 191 million acres of national forest nationwide.

The Bush administration heralded the plan as an end to the legal uncertainty overshadowing tens of millions of acres of America's backcountry.

"Our actions today advance the Bush administration's commitment to cooperative conserving roadless areas," Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman said in announcing the plan in the Idaho Capitol Rotunda.

Trust President Philip Clapp called the administration proposal the biggest giveaway to the timber industry in history, arguing that many western states would likely press for development to help struggling rural economies.

"The idea that many governors would want to jump head first into the political snake pit of managing the national forests in their states is laughable," he said. "Besides, the timber industry has invested heavily for years in the campaigns of governors with the largest national and state forests, giving almost equally to Republicans and Democrats."

Under the proposal, the 58.5 million acres designated as roadless among the 191 million acres of national forest will be protected from development for another 18 months.

In 2006, each governor may submit a proposal either to continue protecting the roadless land or allow it opened to multiple use. The federal government would consider each state petition and then issue a regulation determining the extent of future roadless protection.

Idaho has the most land in the lower 48 states affected by the roadless designation - 9.3 million acres - and was one of the first states to challenge the Clinton administration rule.

A major point of contention in Idaho could be 200,000 acres in the Clearwater River area of north-central Idaho. The area is untrammeled, and conservationists want it preserved. But the Forest Service has proposed some timber sales in the area, and land managers believe logging would reduce the danger of wildfire and protect the basin's famed elk herd.

Veneman and Idaho Gov. Dirk Kempthorne, a Republican, both argued that the proposal ends the legal uncertainty over the old rule and leaves forest management decisions with people most aware of local needs.

But New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a Democrat and Clinton administration energy secretary, accused the Forest Service of "walking away from environmental protection."

Richardson said he would petition for protection of all 1.1 million roadless acres in his state and urge other governors to do the same, declaring that "they should not open these areas, period."

Undersecretary of Agriculture Mark Rey said that if a state does not offer its own proposal on roadless land, the land would become part of the traditional planning process for each national forest. That process has called for development on 24 million of the 58 million acres that Clinton moved to protect.

Federal judges have twice struck down the Clinton rule, most recently in a Wyoming case decided in July 2003. That case, which environmentalists have appealed, is one of several pending legal challenges which have complicated efforts to issue a new plan.

The new plan will be published in the Federal Register this week, with a 60-day comment period extending into September.


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Re: NEWS: Administration Proposes New Logging Rule
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2004, 11:04:28 AM »
so by roads were talking paved roads right??

man that would suck for there to be paved roads cutting all these places up...i can just see the local idiots (dumb kids) causing havoc
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Re: NEWS: Administration Proposes New Logging Rule
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2004, 11:17:53 AM »
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so by roads were talking paved roads right??

man that would suck for there to be paved roads cutting all these places up...i can just see the local idiots (dumb kids) causing havoc


No, we're talking any path that is greater than 58"? wide. Usually this would be a graveled road but this includes dirt as well. Out West this roadless area issue is big, at least from my point of view. :) As a general rule, logging operations (which this is a side note/whole other issue in my mind) do not pave any of the access roads they create unless the road is a large "main artery" for truck travel. Many of the "trails" we ride/drive on today are 30-80 year old logging roads.

May I propose a different approach to the "dumb kids causing havoc" way of thinking? Sure, if people are breaking the law, (littering, vandalism, fire startin', etc.) then they're needs to be consequences no matter where they are but traveling / being on public land should not be a crime.

YMMV :)

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Re: NEWS: Administration Proposes New Logging Rule
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2004, 11:21:12 AM »
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so by roads were talking paved roads right??

man that would suck for there to be paved roads cutting all these places up...i can just see the local idiots (dumb kids) causing havoc


Nope, any road in a national forest that is not signed as a road is off limits now. Many local riding areas were shut down due to Clinton/Gores enviro move on there way out the door. Not to mention all of the small logging towns that relyed on the areas to survive, were instantly shut down and run out of business because no one looked at what the "roadless area" rules would effect. It just seemed PC so they did it >:( Never considering what impact it would have on 1000's of famlies that instantly no longer have a job >:(  Also there were many Fire fighting agencies complaining about the rules of Clinton/Gores brilliant idea (<- Sacrasim) When they said ROADLESS that is what they meant. Not even access to firebreaks could be maintained so Fire fighting crews could get to remote areas to fight wild fires. One good storm and now the fire fighters have to cut their way to the fire instead of driving to it >:(

I'll get off my soap box now. Damn I hope Bushs plan goes through.

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Re: NEWS: Administration Proposes New Logging Rule
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2004, 11:30:54 PM »
We have this BS down in Australia and a couple of years ago a large part of the National capitial went up in flames. As you say once a fire starts fire crews hack out roads where ever they like anyaway,without planning and nobody says a word, it would have to be better to do this in a sensible controlled manner before a fire starts.
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Re: NEWS: Administration Proposes New Logging Rule
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2004, 12:55:07 AM »
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No, we're talking any path that is greater than 58"? wide. Usually this would be a graveled road but this includes dirt as well. Out West this roadless area issue is big, at least from my point of view. :) As a general rule, logging operations (which this is a side note/whole other issue in my mind) do not pave any of the access roads they create unless the road is a large "main artery" for truck travel. Many of the "trails" we ride/drive on today are 30-80 year old logging roads.

May I propose a different approach to the "dumb kids causing havoc" way of thinking? Sure, if people are breaking the law, (littering, vandalism, fire startin', etc.) then they're needs to be consequences no matter where they are but traveling / being on public land should not be a crime.

YMMV :)

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by havoc that is what i meant..i am new the this wheelin thing so i was not aware that there was land that u could not drive on..i figured that BLM was state owned so aslong as u adhered to there rules everything was groovy
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Re: NEWS: Administration Proposes New Logging Rule
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2004, 02:12:06 AM »
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by havoc that is what i meant..i am new the this wheelin thing so i was not aware that there was land that u could not drive on..i figured that BLM was state owned so aslong as u adhered to there rules everything was groovy


BLM is Federally owned land and as of now considered open unless posted closed. Aditionally, private land owners are not supposed to be able to close established roads that lead to this public land. Many times you'll see a no trespassing sign on a road as it goes by a ranch or what have you and think it's a road closure when in actuality it is for the land surrounding the right of way. Just travel through the private land to the public and do not get off of the right of way and things should be ok...

http://www.blm.gov

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Re: NEWS: Administration Proposes New Logging Rule
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2004, 02:33:37 AM »
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things should be ok...

http://www.blm.gov

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thats code for...hope u dont get shot at? lol
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Re: NEWS: Administration Proposes New Logging Rule
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2004, 02:40:38 AM »
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thats code for...hope u dont get shot at? lol


yah... ;)
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