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Mounting a tow bar
« on: May 08, 2010, 03:56:55 PM »
I picked up a new HF tow bar, never used, on craigslist for $35. Aside from strengthening the bolt points where I'm going weld in a solid block, bored to fit a shouldered bolt, into the arms themselves, I'm trying to figure out the best way to attach the mounting points to the Tracker. I have a steel Calmini bumper on the front which already has it's mounts WELDED to the frame. (I didn't like the look of those two 10 mm bolts holding it on.) I was thinking I could kill two birds with one stone so to speak, and weld the tow bar brackets directly to the front of the Calmini bumper, and also be able to use them as pull points when the tow bar is off. even though I never get stuck, uhh....  Opinions please, and any other suggestions on beefing up this el cheapo tow bar, other than welding everything together rather than just bolting it up.
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Re: Mounting a tow bar
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2010, 07:59:12 PM »
I also use a cheap towbar and have towed a lot with it with no problems. I made my mounts and used square tubing and welded it inside the opening of the front frame rail. I then took two old ball mounts [part that slides in hitch] sawed them off so I could slide them inside of the square tubing, drilled a hole to pin them in and welded the tow bar mounts to them. Then I can just pull a pin and slide the mounts out and you can't see any mount at the front. I have a stock front bumper but if I had a steel front bumper I think I would pull off of it. A Friend of mine has a Calmini bumper which has tow bar mounts on and he had problems at first with the mounting of the bumper slipping. it kept tilting the bumper up. I think he added some bracing to straighten out the problem.

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Re: Mounting a tow bar
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2010, 04:33:28 AM »
Thanks gearjam, after taking another look at the whole thing, I'm going to weld the mounts directly to the frame right above where the frame box tube extends from the front. this will keep the tow bar level with the hitch point too, and I think it'll be stronger.
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Re: Mounting a tow bar
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2010, 01:26:52 AM »
bentparts, check out what I did.
http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/technical-discussion-beginner-repair/1990-tracker-tintop-build/90/
Top post of 7th page with all the pics.  I posted that back when I did my mounts.  Welded/gusseted a full crossbar to the front of the frame box (like a crossmember) directly below my steel bumper, and then welded the mounts to that.  I have a HF towbar, too, I think, but a really large one.  I know you have a different bumper, but I wonder if it would give you some insight.
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Re: Mounting a tow bar
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2010, 04:01:05 AM »
Thanks DJ, looks pretty stout, good looking rig too! I'm just wondering why I would need to weld in the cross bar, since we both have Calmini's frame brace anyway? I could save some weight just by welding the mounts to the same points. think their too weak? BTW, I've got the same tow bar.
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Re: Mounting a tow bar
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2010, 10:12:30 AM »
Actually I remember why we added the crossbar anyways...we needed to have the mounts out away from the frame 1-1/2" or 2" for the mounts to clear my Trail Tough bumper.  We needed to add some sort of spacer, so the best idea at the time was to add a whole crossbar.
Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to hinge the towbar upwards, and I don't think it would have even fit below the bumper if the brackets were tied directly to the frame.
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Re: Mounting a tow bar
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2010, 03:36:53 PM »
I've been looking and measuring and it looks like with my Calmini bumber I should have plenty of clearence to weld the brackest right to the frame.
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Re: Mounting a tow bar
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2010, 05:09:48 PM »
Is there any reason you don't want to weld them to the bumper? (I assume it's the kick winch bumper)?
your bumper may be stronger than the frame, might also help to distribute forces/load.

I had mine directly on the Calmini  S/R 'fangs'
I think the j**p folks also mount to the the shackle; i searched 'tow bar shackle'

Having gone to yj's, I'll either put them on the shackle or the bumper bottomside ...

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Re: Mounting a tow bar
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2010, 08:27:10 PM »
Bumper mounting would sure be easier. I know its strong, and I've got an adjustable height hitch so I should be able to easily get the correct attitude on the tow bars. I've been trying to get some input on the handling aspects of the towed vehicle, if any, in regard to the placement of the attachment points of the tow bar. High, low, middle, any pros/cons?
Bumper would be easiest, but it is a bit high even at it's lowest practical mounting point. 22/23 inches i think. I've read the tow bar should be level at least, or be slightly lower at the tow vehicle end, to aid in stopping. I'm even more interested in consistant handling though. Input?

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Re: Mounting a tow bar
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2010, 12:44:50 AM »
Well, I just lucked out having the mounts at a height where the towbar was level with the right drop hitch.  As for flat towing, I only did it once.  It was downright scary  :o
BUT...
it was my first time towing it, so I may have been a little too fast through the switchbacks.
Also, it was right after doing the suspension, and I only had the toe-in aligned so it was driveable.  The camber was still wayyy off (I was towing it to the trail for a "break in" on the suspension).
I think the alignment may have affected the way it towed, combined with a little too much speed. 
The thing is, when I'm towing a trailer, it usually has trailer brakes.  Even if it doesn't, the tongue weight alone on the back of my truck will help me when braking, because it keeps the back end of the truck forced downwards.  So, with a conventional trailer, I find that the trailer "holds" me back in the turns with only slight braking on my part.
But, when flat towing, there is no tongue weight.  So when I went into a turn, I am only relying on my truck's brakes, and in addition to that, the Tracker is acting as dead weight, pushing the back end of my truck around, making a very scary situation.  No tongue weight on the truck means it was pushing the back end around too much.  I was hearing the tires of the tracker skipping behind me on a few turns and on the more aggressive turns, I could hear and feel the back tires of the truck skipping, too.  Twice I was forced to use up the lane of oncoming traffic (when nobody was coming) to correct it because it felt like it was out of my control.  And when I say I may have been going too fast, I'm not talking a lot of speed, I'm talking 20mph, 25 MAX, and the long line of cars behind me keeps growing!
God put me on earth to accomplish a certain number of things.  Right now I am so far behind, I will never die.
90 Tracker LSi 2dr tintop 5spd: slow toy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 08 Pontiac G8 GT: fast toy
90 Tracker LSi 2dr 5spd: SOLD.......95 Tracker 2dr 5spd: parts..........90 Sidekick JX 5spd: HI, my name's DJ and I have an addiction.........93 Tracker 2dr 2wd 5spd: PS donor/poss. 4x4 swap from 95 parts

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Re: Mounting a tow bar
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2010, 03:33:02 AM »
Dang! That sounds downright tiring. I wonder how those thousands of motorhomes do it? Slowley I guess. I do see them barreling down the freeways though seemingly without a problem.
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Re: Mounting a tow bar
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2010, 04:13:41 AM »
DJ makes it sound white knuckle!

When I went to pick up my rig (NJ to VA) I had never flat towed, and was VERY apprehensive.

Unfounded; as long as you leave extra room to stop, pay attention, and slow down on exit ramps, no trouble at all.
I have since (Last July) towed it 2500 miles before getting a trailer...'07 Nissan Frontier, 260 hp, 6500 rated tow

If your castor is out it will not track and will want to pull the back of the tow side to side. Prob non-issue for you, Mike
You will pay tolls at the two axle rate.
You cannot back up...

As long as the bar is near level, and your mounts at least frame width apart, 'no problem , Mon!' Don't sweat it.

I mounted some cheap lights on a piece of 1x3 wood I had laying around, added a 5 foot piece of cord to a hole at each end, and just drape it over my spare w/a 20 foot 4 wire lead going to my tow's trailer plug 

AFA driveshaft removal or what gear to leave the trackick in; dunno, I'm a  sammi guy...
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Re: Mounting a tow bar
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2010, 06:36:45 AM »
Flat towing, is that what we call using an 'A' Frame? over here those sort of frames are available braked, with the brake cable hooking up to the parking brake on the towed vehicle.
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Re: Mounting a tow bar
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2010, 08:36:32 AM »
Similarly available here as well but pricey!

Un-needed for 'occaisional' jaunts, imho

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Re: Mounting a tow bar
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2010, 01:44:15 PM »
Hey, thanks guys, I was begining to get a little concerned. I think it'll be fine. I'll be welding on the brackets this weekend ( after I mow down my property!) Then I'll give it a test drive. I'm probably gonna pick up a lite set from Harbor freight, $14.99. Magnetic type.
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