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Help! Death Wobble
« on: July 07, 2010, 08:02:57 AM »
I have searched all over this forum and done all I know to do...Help! I checked all angles before I started and put them all back and still have BIG Issues. (Castor / Camber ,Etc.) My Samurai drove great at all speeds and all surfaces till I did a RUF set up with TT Missing Links up front. Put in New poly bushings and some special bushings they sold me at TT to help with this problem. I put on new  U bolts, Gas Shocks and a HD Monroe steering stabilizer. I am running 235/75/15's on 8 in. Rims. Also put all new OEM steering rod ,Drag Link, Etc. New bearings and seals , Felts , King pin bearings (all set up to proper specs) and I mean everything is done! It rides just like I want and sits like I want but THIS I can't deal with! ANY CONSTRUCTIVE INPUT WELCOME! PLEASE!
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Re: Help! Death Wobble
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2010, 11:02:18 AM »
You might try swapping out the folding shackles.  They might be adding to much play.  Have you checked to see if your front axle is sitting at a slight angle after the conversion?

It sounds like you have replaced just about everything that commonly goes wrong.   What speed does it start to wobble?
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Re: Help! Death Wobble
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2010, 11:58:55 AM »
It does not show a hint of any trouble till I hit a Bump and then I almost have to come to a complete stop to get it back. I put in shims to rotate the housing to get it back to where it was before. The shackles are brand new from TT and tight. I did use the stock locating pins in the Leaf springs to get a longer wheel base for Tire clearance later on. Man I am LOST!
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Re: Help! Death Wobble
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2010, 07:18:03 PM »
I could be wrong, but aren't you supposed to install any missing links
type of shackle on the rear or trailing side of the leafs?  Having a moving
type shackle on the front or leading side of the spring would be like a
shopping cart wheel at high speed, they can get a real bad rhythm going

Any other ideas?

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Re: Help! Death Wobble
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2010, 10:15:31 PM »
I installed them as the manufacturer instructed. I also watched a video on youtube on them.
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Re: Help! Death Wobble
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2010, 12:06:43 AM »
So what has trail tough said about this? is there an
issue that causes this that they know of ?
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Re: Help! Death Wobble
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2010, 08:44:09 AM »
Going to pull out the new Poly bushings that I put in when I installed the Missing Links ,the ones that go through the Frame at the top, and put in solid bushings this weekend if I get time. TT seems to think that it will help. We shall see.....
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Re: Help! Death Wobble
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2010, 11:25:36 AM »
Let us know how it works out.
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Re: Help! Death Wobble
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2010, 04:04:24 PM »
by doing the RUF you raised the vehicle height. sounds like to me you need to install a high steer or 'Z' bar. since its because of bump steer. i just did RUF conversion myself and yes it doesn't handle as nice as before but for what it does off road its worth every penny. also install a pan hard bar, that should help a lot. i haven't done it yet so i can tell you, I'm just to busy to do it this summer i have to wait till winter. and double shackles are fine, that's the whole point of the conversion is to get all that droop. another thing i haven't gotten around to doing is, but i am going to be welding angle iron on the anti kick back plate and a tab on the 'y' shackle and nut and bolt it so that the missing links don't move on the road. then when i want to off road i remove the bolt.  but definitely upgrade your steering. i am SPOA with Sky's high steer kit and had virtually no bump steer. i did the RUF w SPOA and have some bump steer now, definitely not a conversion i recommend for a daily driver.
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Re: Help! Death Wobble
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2010, 10:51:28 PM »
My springs are under the Axel so the Geomertry should not be off enough to do this. After I put the solid nylon bushings in and I still have a problem then I will try your suggestion.
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Re: Help! Death Wobble (FIXED!)
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2010, 06:44:32 PM »
WELL ! It seems that I have solved my problem ! I just took my Samurai for a test ride and the solid bushings from TT through the Frame seems to have done the trick. I will be keeping everyone posted as I get to drive it more. Thanks to everyone for your input.
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Re: Help! Death Wobble
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2010, 01:28:56 PM »
what solid bushing r u talking about? do you have a link. bc after i did mine its still driveable but there is definitely added vibration.
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Re: Help! Death Wobble
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2010, 02:37:33 PM »
I called Trail Tough and spoke to a Tec. and he turned me on to these Bushings I have. They do not list them in their catalog but they have them. Give them a buzz and tell them what you want. I don't know the number right off hand......
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Re: Help! Death Wobble
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2010, 08:56:51 PM »
OK it's back! I have been driving it for a while with no issues then tonight I hit a bump and WOBBLE! W T F !!! I have ordered a drop Pitman Arm so I will see...........
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Re: Help! Death Wobble
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2010, 08:22:51 PM »
Your Death Wobble is now actually a bumpsteer problem.

A Drop Pittman arm will eliminate it by making the draglink more parallel to the tierod under normal suspension load - which eliminates the bumpsteer problem in a different (but similar) way that an OTT steering system would.

My crowning creation:  ;)

http://www.acksfaq.com/bumpsteer_explained.htm

If nothing else, I hope you find the above link educational.
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