OK you two

                   

Quote from: Reddog1 on August 28, 2010, 08:05:40 AM

Quote from: Skyhiranger on August 24, 2010, 07:17:07 PM

Whatever it is, it will still ride like crap with a 90 degree shackle angle.
35 degrees is what "they" say to set it at.  So I am just passing on the info. 

Who are "they"?

Wayne

It doesn't matter, you and eaton have it all figured out.

I think it does matter. We could ask "them", if we knew who "they" were. It might offer some creditability as to the info you are just passing.

I made a post in response to the OP. I copied and pasted  text from a source that manufactures springs, and included a link to provide additional information, if wanted. The link even explained who Eaton is. I did not use an abstract "they".  And for that I am being attacked? And then you ask me to explain?

Wayne

haha dang this post is touchy lol. No worries though, thanks for all the help, ill get pics up today, but i wont be able to cut and weld them until next weekend.

Hopefully, there was some help in there someplace.

I think the angle of the shackle angle is more critical in the front axle, assuming the back of the spring is the fixed end. Consider, if you hit a rock while going forward, the spring moves back and up. If the shackle is straight down (90 degrees from horizontal), the shackle has the potential to go past center of its pivot point. This in turn might allow the shackle to flip up on the rebound, behind the pivot point, instead of going forward or back to straight down.

I have seen many two axle trailers with the shackles flipped the wrong way because they were straight down. I do not recall seeing any flip that were 15-degrees (from straight down), or more, toward the direction the spring would travel. As I understand, when the arc of the spring is flat, that will be the greatest angle of the shackle. If you have too much angle on the shackle, and you flex the spring, you will not get full travel.

I think the above would apply to a shackle mounted in the rear of a rear axle as well, but may not be as critical. 

Clear as mud?

Wayne

ya, my rear looks like this.

Just take it out the way it is and wheel it, well for the two or three minutes it lasts.
The problem I (yes I have done it)   had with shackles at that angle was on full droop the springs will roll up to the inside of the mount and bend the spring. I would safely trailer it to a wheeling spot and keep it off the hwy. As for your candor, people on zukiworld  are trying to help and offer the best knowledge available , tough guy behind a monitor stuff should be saved for pirate4x4.

umm... are you talking about my front shackle angle or the new pic i just posted about how i did my rear? lol, that would totally suck if i did both angles wrong.

The rear looks OK IMO
I would move the front mounts back a little bit. Or could always get a little bit longer spring. Or option 3 shackle reversal?? Are you using Toyota springs or?

And my other comments were to reddog1

ya they are toyota springs. (stock). I heard a shackle reversal is bad for wheeling. Trailtough and Lowrange said this. I heard that is great for on road driving, but limits your off road capabilities. But who knows??? It was easier though to do this build with the shackles in front not a reversal.

Huh., always have heard the opposite anyways try Toyota rear springs up front. There a bit longer and flex better.might fix your issue without cutting and welding

I know how to solve this debate/problem, .......... Coils
More flex, better ride, no axle wrap or broken spring ends

There, done

Wild

Ok wild, gunna order my trail slayer kit right now and I'm telling my wife you told me too!

If that gets you off the hook, fine by me, I can't hear her
scream from here 

Haha, ya that would be nice to have coils. But its even nicer to say i made that. lol, not i bought that and installed it. lol

Well then a set of 185 Lb springs, a bit of DOM and
some hiems and you too could have a coil Samurai

Wild