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99+ RRO or Calmini lift?
« on: June 23, 2004, 12:16:48 AM »
I think I asked before but, which would be better to get?

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Re: 99+ RRO or Calmini lift?
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2004, 05:03:45 AM »
Calmini, Calmini, Calmini..............

Just for one reason, the stock A-arms.

With calmini you have tough A-arms with balls joint that you can unbolt from.

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Re: 99+ RRO or Calmini lift?
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2004, 02:58:22 PM »
CAMINI ROCKS ! IMHO........MATTY D 8)

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Re: 99+ RRO or Calmini lift?
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2004, 03:23:52 PM »
It really depends on what you are wanting to do. Both have pros/cons for the 3rd generation Vitara model. It's been discussed several times, expanded in a lot of areas.
Just know that the full impact will be the larger tires which will require a gear change in the axles. On the -7, it's rather limited due to non-aftermarket support for other ratios (although 5-sp come with 4.30, autos come with 5.13). The Vitara/tracker will have a better chance for a gear swap. I'd first check into this along with locker option, configure size/type of tire, determine driving, then go to the lift.
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Re: 99+ RRO or Calmini lift?
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2004, 09:24:28 PM »
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Just know that the full impact will be the larger tires which will require a gear change in the axles. On the -7, it's rather limited due to non-aftermarket support for other ratios (although 5-sp come with 4.30, autos come with 5.13). The Vitara/tracker will have a better chance for a gear swap. I'd first check into this along with locker option, configure size/type of tire, determine driving, then go to the lift.


But don't I need to know which lift I'm getting so that I know how big the tires could be?
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Re: 99+ RRO or Calmini lift?
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2004, 03:19:26 AM »
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But don't I need to know which lift I'm getting so that I know how big the tires could be?


It's a give/take relationship. Why not run the new 49" IROC's on the Tracker? They are the biggest DOT tire. Well, give that it's not going to happen for a lot of reasons, take that it will never happen for same or different reasons. You have to weigh which fits your driving type, style, terrain and funds.
Have you priced tires for tire sizes you are interested in?
I have a friend with a Jeep lifted 3.5" on 31" slick's. His stock gears are 3.08s. It's a YJ with an EFI 6 cyl, yet he has a set of 4cyl YJ axles, which come with 4.10s stock. He's debating on 33's or 35's tires. Either way, he has to regear or swap axles. He hasn't made up his mind though. Now, either tire will break that puny D35 easily with the right foot on the pedal. So does he put money into the D35 with the stock 4.10's, or does he upgrade with a 8.8 Explorer rear axle (he has one with 3.08s) which has to get regeared. If you get regeared, you should lock it also to keep the costs of installation minimal. To add a locker case, you have to re-install the gears, not just install them.
Cost for tires range upwards of $90 difference per tire same brand. Then there are other impacts of running a larger tire on the Jeep he is considering also, longer shocks, slip yoke eliminator/2-pc driveshaft, longer brake lines, resealing the axles, redoing the brakes, among other little stuff, ie studs.
So compare what you can run with what size tire for what terrain you'll be driving. Then evaluate the impact on the drivetrain.
You can do baby steps in these types of vehicles. It's the best thing which I think is the best thing. Add spacers, add slightly larger more aggressive tires, evaluate other areas to mod ie. shocks, struts, brake lines, parking brake line, gears, lockers, skid plates, bumpers, winch, roll cage, etc.
Then take the next step.
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Re: 99+ RRO or Calmini lift?
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2004, 05:29:42 AM »
 Hey Jag, I think you might have just confused the poor kid.
I think you would be better off going with the Calmini kit because of the long term benefits of bulletproof, easily replaceable balljoints, proper angle corrections for the camber and front drive assembly.
Just a thought. 8)
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Re: 99+ RRO or Calmini lift?
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2004, 07:15:38 AM »
Yah, think. I'm confused re-reading it.

All I was trying to point out was the fact, money. Everything is based on money. Yah, that's it.

Basically, the tire has to match the lift, and the lift has to match the vehicle's use, the use matches the tire. Just a big round circle.
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Re: 99+ RRO or Calmini lift?
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2004, 09:03:56 AM »
OK I want a lift and tire combo for these reasons...

Make it look cool  8) ;)

I'm not gonna be taking any major off-road adventures, just some mudpits and some small hills the most.

I NEVER had a lifted vehicle, changed rims/tires sizes or anything like that. ALL my vehicles have been left stock other then tint and little things.  So I need someone to tell me what sizes look good. I've been told that 30/9.50's will fit on a stock Tracker with the right rim. So could I fit like 32/10.50's on a 2.5" lift?
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Re: 99+ RRO or Calmini lift?
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2004, 11:17:27 AM »
Calmini 2.5 suspension lift, no shitttttttyyyy body-lift.

And a set of 30"x9.5"x15" good looking AT's

why not?

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Re: 99+ RRO or Calmini lift?
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2004, 11:56:01 AM »
http://www.puresuzuki.com/2.5%20Lift.htm   THIS IS PRICEY, BUT NOT FOR WHAT YOU GET....A QUALITY SET UP &   WILL MAKE THINGS RIGHT .......THERE'S NO BODY LIFT YET THAT I'M AWARE OF FOR THE 99 AT CALMINI......BUT IT WILL GET YOU UP ENOUGH TO LOOK SPORTY & SQUEEZE SOME BIGGER MEATS UNDER YOUR TRACKER......31'S 32'S DOUBT IT......UNLESS YOU WANNA HACK UP YOUR FENDERS....IVE GOT 31'S ON MY 6" COMBO LIFTED KICK & UNLESS I TRIM SOME METAL THATS WHERE ITS GONNA STAY.....MATTY D.  8)

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Re: 99+ RRO or Calmini lift?
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2004, 12:01:18 PM »
RRO   DOES OFFER A 2" BODY LIFT  SO YOU COULD GET A LITTLE BIGGER TIRE UNDER THERE.....IF $$ IS AN OBJECT START SMALL...THROUGH IN THE BODY LIFT FIRST & SEE WHERE IT GOES FROM THERE..... ::)

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Re: 99+ RRO or Calmini lift?
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2004, 05:30:56 PM »
From the sounds of it in other threads, you really don't have spendable cash flow and to make something just for the looks, well, is not truely functional.

I'm not trying to put you down it any way. Don't take it this way. I'd suggest that you put on the biggest tire you can on those stock rims and fit into the wheel wells. Get to driving the Tracker this way. Go take those mud holes and hills. You'll be surprised. Then step up to the lift. I strongly suggest you get to know other 4wd enthusiast within your area. This will help you in the long run.  

Do note, that by adding a drastic larger tire, you are raising the overall gear ratio and will knock the performance out of your engine, braking will also be affected.

If anything, get a set of ramps and drive up them. Crawl underneath and check things out both front and rear.
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Re: 99+ RRO or Calmini lift?
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2004, 08:35:03 PM »
I've pondered over this question many times as well and I keep coming back to Calmini. Like Fredo said you have tough A-Arms and that to me (because I do limited offroading so far but will go hardcore soon) is a great thing. I will be honest with you on this one because I'm into looks (for the time being) before I'm into anything else: Go with a suspension lift from Calmini. Easy to install, looks awesome and it's been tested and true. Heather has provided me with some great advice about lifts, tires and gears and throughout my Sidekick upgrades and Heather and her husband's advice confirms visually for me over and over again. CALMINI is the way to go, its cheaper $'s, but make sure you check out new axles and gears for those huge ass tires I know you'll put on! I'm definatley no expert, but I know what I like to see. I know your frustration - the thing is you don't want to lose a lot of power and gas mileage over a lift and new tires, then you're thinkin' 'shit, how muca is this stuffa gonna costa me eh?' and then it's like, well, if I don't do this the lift will look like crap without the cool tires and what happens when I want to go hardcore... faaaaaaaaaaaahk! Trust me man, just get a lift from Calmini, size up a tire with your local shop and test 'er out, you said you go mud boggin and minor trail (is there such a thing?) riding so top performance isn't everything in your situation. Or do what Jag says, fit the biggest tire you can on the rims you got and get ready for some surprises. You could always swap out your air filter and mess with your exhaust system to free up some HP and then you'll be fine... someone once told me that when they did stuff like that, bigger tires performed on a truck like stock. Now thats the kind of stuff I like to hear!

it's 2:21 am and I'm still online... sad, sad

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