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Snofalls...TBI spacer results (Second test, Final results)
« on: July 06, 2005, 05:58:24 AM »
 Ã‚    Snofalls had a question about TBI spacers I couldn't give an honsest answer to on the "do it yerself engine build" thread.
 Ã‚    Well I hate being in that position and seeing as my nephew just bought a Kick I convinced him to help me out.

His rig...
- Stone cold stock 1991 Kick 2dr, soft top, 4WD, 5spd
- He just had it tuned up and checked over and serviced

Base tests...
- He lives over 1000km away so I had him find a lonely
 Ã‚ road and mark out a 1/4 mile and do (5) runs with a
 Ã‚ buddy timing him

 Ã‚ Average of (5) runs....................23.4 sec for 1/4 mile

Modification...
- (1) 2" spacer I made up in the shop
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 Ã‚  I bused it out to him and had a friend install it.

 Ã‚  Reports runs excellent, seems to hav a little more pull.
 Ã‚  Bumps against bottom of hood inner structure, so I
 Ã‚  had him remove the offending cross bar using an
 Ã‚  angle grinder and cutting wheel.
(Prd|removethispart|@BCdn thanks for showing me yours so I knew.)

Modified test...
- Repeat of the base line test, same road, driver and
 Ã‚ timer.

 Ã‚ Average of (5) runs..........................23.2 sec

 Ã‚    Now taking .1 away for him getting better and thats still a .1 sec improvement in the 1/4, thats really good.
Combined with his driveabilty report I can now honestly say it's a worthwhile mod.

Zag
« Last Edit: July 13, 2005, 08:12:23 AM by zaggy »
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Re: Snofalls...TBI spacer results
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2005, 06:35:53 AM »
Geez...I gotta think with all the mods on mine I should be able to run a 23 flat ;) Glad I could help with the hood clearance issue :)

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Re: Snofalls...TBI spacer results
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2005, 06:46:03 AM »
     My nephew is fairly inexperienced at this kinda thing, I would think you could shave a couple secs off just with experience, now add in all the mods I saw on yours, shave at least another couple secs....gonna have to see what "Wilds" 1/4 mile times were.

Zag
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Re: Snofalls...TBI spacer results
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2005, 09:38:25 AM »
hey canuck do you have pictures or the spacer and can you make out of aluminum ? or what did you guys use?
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Re: Snofalls...TBI spacer results
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2005, 10:00:32 AM »
zag,

2" seems like quite a bit for the small displacement. Why did you pick that (e.g. as opposed to 1")?

I'll defer to your experience/judgement, but it sounds like a spacer can help ...
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Re: Snofalls...TBI spacer results
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2005, 10:45:15 AM »
Yo Bus_Driver
    The spacer is made out of aluminum (6061 T-6) left over from the aircraft engine project, with a stock gasket on each side. No drawing I used the gasket as the template and took a night to do it.

Snofalls
    I use a neat book from the library on Sound and Sonic Waves, it has the formulas for working stuff out. (It's a reference book, you can't take it out so you have to do it there.)
    Anyway I calculated out the plenum volume and drop required to get an appreciable flow difference and then rounded to the availaible aluminum plate on hand.
    The way it worked it it should have boosted the velocity by about 10% and the volume by around 30%.
    Theoritically that should increase overall airflow and horsepower by about 3%, then the real world cuts in and cuts it even more.
    Testing gives the final result, all the math is basically to see if it's worth trying.......In this case it was a good thing and now that I've done it something I could recommend as being worth trying.
    Whats neat for the testing is this little kick is a nice low mileage unit and stone stock. I think a modified unit would benefit even more.
    Next I'm going to build a high flow aircleaner/Filter set up and have him test that.

Zag
« Last Edit: July 06, 2005, 10:49:22 AM by zaggy »
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Re: Snofalls...TBI spacer results
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2005, 12:02:07 PM »
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    I use a neat book from the library on Sound and Sonic Waves, it has the formulas for working stuff out. (It's a reference book, you can't take it out so you have to do it there.)
    Anyway I calculated out the plenum volume and drop required to get an appreciable flow difference and then rounded to the availaible aluminum plate on hand.
    The way it worked it it should have boosted the velocity by about 10% and the volume by around 30%.
    Theoritically that should increase overall airflow and horsepower by about 3%, then the real world cuts in and cuts it even more.


I understand about 30% of that (mostly the get a book from the library ... I know THAT is useful) :)

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Re: Snofalls...TBI spacer results
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2005, 12:22:46 PM »
Zag, I never timed my 1/4 mile runs,
I was just interested in the MPH   ::)

I was running 87 RON gas, 30" tires,
5.83 gears and 8-9 PSI boost, average
MPH were about 93-95 in a aproximate
1/4 mile run, the lines have been faded
away, it's been 25 years since they were
sprayed onto the street, I fould the start,
but I didn't see the exact stopping point.

I never actually measured it to see if it was
an accurate 1/4 even when the lines were
visable.

Wild
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Re: Snofalls...TBI spacer results
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2005, 02:37:16 PM »
Snofalls

    It breaks down this way

1) Cut and try, start at 1" and keep going till you get
   the best combo. (Which is what I used to do.) Usually
   means 3 or 4 tries to get it close to optimium.

2) Dig out the high school calculus and research stuff till
   you know where to find the info, then calculate to
   figure out the best compromise. Usually cuts it down
   to 1 or 2 tries. Less work, less time, less money.

     I'm no genius but when I started racing I had no money and had to build everything or find a better way to do it for less money than the fast guys. I took the advice of a really smart friend and started to research stuff before trying it and learned alot, when I started working on the aircraft engine project over 10 years ago I wanted to know what the internal engine stresses were so I hit the books and learned how to calculate internal engine pressures, bmep, torque loading and torsional resonances, rather than run it till it blows and see what broke. (ended up doing alot of that anyway, you should see the mess a G13B makes when it lets go at 11,000rpm).
    WhenI started on the drive for the Airplane I calculated all the loads etc on the drive unit, and engine mounts to make sure it was safe (everything is designed to load plus 50-100% safety factor).
    It's really not that hard once you read it through, like I said I am no genius, just cheap and stubborn.
    The neat thing is almost everything you need to work this stuff out is at the Public Library and basic math can do most of it...then add a fudge factor.

Zag
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Re: Snofalls...TBI spacer results
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2005, 02:38:33 PM »
Hey Wild

   Close enough to see if it's workin...and yours obviously does, someday I gotta see that beast.

Zag
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Re: Snofalls...TBI spacer results
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2005, 03:28:31 PM »
I should throw on a set of 30" tires and
get a good burnout video going, just for grins
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Re: Snofalls...TBI spacer results
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2005, 04:16:38 PM »
Coooool.....this I gotta see!!!!!

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Re: Snofalls...TBI spacer results
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2005, 05:18:00 PM »
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I should throw on a set of 30" tires and
get a good burnout video going, just for grins

4wd smokin ;) ;D
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Re: Snofalls...TBI spacer results
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2005, 05:21:14 PM »
I'd have to put an anchor on it, I can't
hold back the power in 4WD
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Re: Snofalls...TBI spacer results (Update)
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2005, 07:47:29 AM »
Update from my nephew.....

He's had the spacer in for a few days now and.......

    Claims the spacer makes the stone cold stock vehicle a little snappier and have a little better seat in the pants power.
    Drives 100km a day to work and back and while he hasn't filled up yet thinks the gas guage is not dropping as quick as before.

Guess the mod was worthwhile..........specially seeing as his Uncle built it, shipped it to him and had a friend install it.

Zag
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