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Offline Bear76

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94 Samurai 1.6 swap
« on: June 09, 2011, 06:47:22 AM »
The Samurai I just picked up had the swap done by the PO.  It looks fairly good but Im tring to figure out what needs to redone properly (rt side mount for one).  Is there any way to identify which ECU is in there, im not sure if he swaped it for the 1.6's.

Its not running right now, it turns over just fine, but I think the fuel pump is not working and I think it might be related to the ECU or relay.

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Re: 94 Samurai 1.6 swap
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2011, 07:56:43 AM »
I also forgot to mention that the PO didnt use a kit.  He drilled the mounting, motor side, flange to accept the tranny, is this OK?

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Re: 94 Samurai 1.6 swap
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2011, 09:58:02 AM »
pic please   is it a 16v or 8v ?
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Re: 94 Samurai 1.6 swap
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2011, 07:34:11 PM »
8v.  I will try to get some pics.

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Re: 94 Samurai 1.6 swap
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2011, 03:25:54 PM »
Is there any way to identify which ECU is in there, im not sure if he swaped it for the 1.6's.

Read the number off it and punch it into Google.
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Re: 94 Samurai 1.6 swap
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2011, 07:06:46 AM »
I did hear it clicking but i know the pump is bad.  I pulled the tank and removed it to find about 2 inches of sludge in there, i will be looking to replace it.  I will search the number today and see what comes up.  The wiring harness doesn't look like its been cut or hacked.  I'm starting to think the PO used a 1.6 long block and the 1.3 intake and harness.  I hope this is what he did, it would make it easier to figure things out.  what would I look for to try and determine this? how does the 1.3 and 1.6 intake differ? Anyone have pics of each so I can compare side by side.

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Re: 94 Samurai 1.6 swap
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2011, 07:52:06 AM »
most likely the po  used the intake and exhaust from the stock 1.3 and bolted them to the 1.6 they will bolt right up
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Re: 94 Samurai 1.6 swap
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2011, 03:01:18 PM »
The wiring harness doesn't look like its been cut or hacked.  I'm starting to think the PO used a 1.6 long block and the 1.3 intake and harness.  I hope this is what he did, it would make it easier to figure things out.  what would I look for to try and determine this? how does the 1.3 and 1.6 intake differ? Anyone have pics of each so I can compare side by side.

Simply look at which ECM you have.  The EFI samurai and EFI trackicks ECMs don't interchange....so he had to use whichever ECM matches the wiring harness (which would match the EFI system/intake).
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Offline Bear76

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Re: 94 Samurai 1.6 swap
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2011, 06:36:36 PM »
The PO said he swapped the entire engine in except the ECU.  He says it all plugged right up.  So when I get the tank back in, I'll try to fire it up again and see what happens.  I did try to Google the ECU numbers and I didn't get anything useful.  The numbers are;

33920-8k30
4706b  k1
FED-MT

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Offline Skyhiranger

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Re: 94 Samurai 1.6 swap
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2011, 07:45:50 PM »
The PO said he swapped the entire engine in except the ECU.  He says it all plugged right up.  So when I get the tank back in, I'll try to fire it up again and see what happens.  I did try to Google the ECU numbers and I didn't get anything useful.  The numbers are;

33920-8k30
4706b  k1
FED-MT

That number doesn't look right.  The number should be 33920-8xx30.  The "xx" should be a number and a letter.  The 94/95 samurais might have slightly different sensors on the intake than the 90-93 samurais (I do know they have a couple of extra sensors that the 90-93s don't have).  Because I know the 90-93 samurai wiring harness doesn't have all the right connectors to just plug into a trackick intake manifold.
If he says he didn't swap the ECM, then I would think he would have about had to swap intake manifolds.  But since it isn't running, the reason could be because he was trying to run the trackick intake with the samurai ECM and wiring and that is the issue.
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Re: 94 Samurai 1.6 swap
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2011, 07:53:07 PM »
Looking at my note again it could be 33920-81c30.  

edit; that must be it, Google returned alot on this.  94 Samurai ECU.  Maybe I should start looking for a 1.3 intake and TBI.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2011, 07:56:25 PM by Bear76 »

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Re: 94 Samurai 1.6 swap
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2011, 07:57:44 PM »
Looking at my note again it could be 33920-81c30. 

That looks better.  That is a samurai ECM number....non-california model.
As I said, if he didn't swap the samurai intake onto the engine, I am not sure that the samurai ECM and wiring is compatible with the trackick intake.  Are all the wiring connectors plugged in?  Do you see any that aren't plugged in?  Is there any wiring that looks like it has been "adapted" to plug into any of the intake sensors?
Maybe we need some pics of the intake, coil and distributor.
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Offline Bear76

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Re: 94 Samurai 1.6 swap
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2011, 11:09:20 AM »
I does not seem like it was "adapted", the PO said everything just pluged in and ran.  I only heard it run for a few moments while using starter fluid, the tank and pump were fu**ed up.  I'll try to get some pics soon.

Im guessing that an ECU and harness would be cheaper than a 1.3 intake and TBI.  This is getting interesting.

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Re: 94 Samurai 1.6 swap
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2011, 11:21:37 AM »
I does not seem like it was "adapted", the PO said everything just pluged in and ran.  I only heard it run for a few moments while using starter fluid, the tank and pump were fu**ed up.  I'll try to get some pics soon.

Im guessing that an ECU and harness would be cheaper than a 1.3 intake and TBI.  This is getting interesting.

Running a 1.3 intake and TBI on a 1.6 usually doesn't work real good.  Some people get it to run ok, but others don't.  I would match the intake and TBI system to the block being used (1.3 to 1.3 and 1.6 to 1.6).  You will also need to match the wiring and ECM to the intake being used.  You may be able to mix and match 1.3 and 1.6 parts and get it to work ok.....but I would either run all 1.6 stuff (engine, wiring, ECM), or all 1.3 stuff(engine, wiring, ECM), if it were me.
Did he say why he put the 1.6 engine in?  Did something go wrong with the 1.3 stuff, or did he just want the bigger engine?  What did he do with all the 1.3 engine he took out?
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Re: 94 Samurai 1.6 swap
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2011, 12:52:56 PM »
He said the 1.3 had a knock and he happened accros this 1.6.  He got rid of all the 1.3 stuff.  What markings would I look for to find out what year the 1.6 is from?  Or does it even matter?  I assume the AT/MT ECM's are differnt too.  Any known good sources of the harness and ECM or just hit the JY and ebay?

And just for good measure, if I wanted to run a carb could I throw the ECM in the trash?