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Offline vuzuki

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help deciding on sidekick
« on: November 09, 2011, 10:44:34 AM »
Hi everyone, I'm austin I just registered with zukiworld because I had an important question pertaining to me.
I have a 96 subaru impreza that I've been trying to sell to replace it with a samurai, however someone just offered me a trade for a sidekick and I was wondering what you guys thought
it's a 95, 4door, manual, 4wd with 160,000 miles... any thoughts or warnings? it is in good shape and he says it has no issues, is this high mileage for a sidekick?
I figured this hasn't been asked before, but I'll try searching also.

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Re: help deciding on sidekick
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2011, 11:00:01 AM »
not high mileage, but not exactly low either.
250k miles is what I start to consider high (and many go much longer too).

BUT, it comes down to maintenance (like any vehicle). It's always hard to judge how well maintained a vehicle REALLY is, but signs of long outstanding leaks or hack job repairs should be a warning flag.

Also, ensure that the CEL functions (turn on key, CEL should light, start engine CEL should go off).
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Re: help deciding on sidekick
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2011, 11:26:35 AM »
that's kinda what I thought.
I'm hoping to go look at it this week, hope it looks okay :P
er, what is a CEL function..? D:

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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2011, 11:52:47 AM »
CEL == "Check Engine Light"
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Re: help deciding on sidekick
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2011, 12:42:09 PM »
oh okay, I'll bring my obd plug. Thanks for reminding me :P
I've been wanting a 4x4 project, but I've never looked for mods on the sidekick.. I know it has ifs, is it very expensive to do a front axle swap? and other things like does it have a seperate diff in the front that I can put a locker in? or hook breathers to..?

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Re: help deciding on sidekick
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2011, 01:16:14 PM »
"use the search" ...

but short answer ... yes (IMO), yes, and ???

MANY here run with a "budget" ifs, and/or body, lift, and make very capable rigs.

<edit> P.S. Welcome to the site and enjoy. The more searching/reading you do on your own the more you'll get out of the multitudes of FANatics here.</edit>
« Last Edit: November 09, 2011, 01:18:23 PM by SnoFalls »
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Re: help deciding on sidekick
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2011, 02:23:56 PM »
oh okay, I'll bring my obd plug.

A 95 wont have an obd plug :'(
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Re: help deciding on sidekick
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2011, 03:30:39 PM »
Hi everyone, I'm austin I just registered with zukiworld because I had an important question pertaining to me.
I have a 96 subaru impreza that I've been trying to sell to replace it with a samurai, however someone just offered me a trade for a sidekick and I was wondering what you guys thought
it's a 95, 4door, manual, 4wd with 160,000 miles... any thoughts or warnings? it is in good shape and he says it has no issues, is this high mileage for a sidekick?
I figured this hasn't been asked before, but I'll try searching also.

It will probably smoke on a cold start (valve seals usually start leaking by 160K).  But should clear up and not smoke anymore after 30 seconds or so.  Tell him you do not want it started for the day, before you get there.  That way you can check it.  It really isn't a big deal if the valve seals are leaking.  But just something to check.  A bigger concern would be if it continues to smoke for longer than 30 seconds or smokes if you run it hard.
The timing belt should have been changed at around 100K and will be due to be changed again at 200K.  You could ask him if the timing belt has been changed and when.  He might tell you the truth, he might lie...you have to make the judgement on whether he is being truthful.  If in doubt, change it if you buy/get it.
Rust is ok.  As long as it isn't excessive.  Generally, I am more concerned with the mechanical condition than the cosmetic condition.
Not really "high mileage", but it is on the upper end of "average", IMO.  Like was said, these engines will run for a long time, if properly maintained (meaning change the oil and filter and keep the oil topped off).  Black oil or low oil is a good indication that he doesn't keep up on the maintenance very well.  So listen closely to the engine for unusual knocks, taps, pings, etc.  As those can indicate that the engine may need some expensive repairs shortly.
Also, people don't seem to keep the valves adjusted on a regular basis.  So if you get it, be prepared to adjust the valves (which isn't really a big deal or hard to do...just time consuming and possibly intimidating for someone with limited or no experience).  But also if the valves have not been adjusted regularly, it can burn a valve.  That means headwork....which usually means $$$.  You could ask him when the last time the valves were adjusted (should be done about every year or 30K or so)....again, no way to tell if he is being truthful or not...you have to go with your gut.
As far as checking anything else, just do the basic checks as you would with any vehicle....make sure everything works....lights, radio, heater, AC, etc.  Look over the wiring for "hack jobs"...which could indicate there was an issue with something and maybe it was repaired or maybe it wasn't.  Check the tire condition...uneven wear could mean suspension or steering parts that are worn and need replaced.  Listen for any unusual noises when driving.  Check for looseness in the steering and wheels...which would indicate worn parts that need replaced.
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Re: help deciding on sidekick
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2011, 05:34:23 PM »
oh okay, I'll bring my obd plug.


A 95 wont have an obd plug :'(


No disrespect but I was told my 95 2 door Tracker has OBD 1, a small 4 prong plug next to the battery and an on-line search confirms, could his Zuk swing both ways and be OBD confused?

http://www.obdii.com/connector.html

I found water in my front diff, the cruise control was not hooked up and the door hinge retainers were missing.  I was so excited to get my Zuk and it was cheap I overlooked things as I never owned a first gen Tracker so I did not know what to look for.  I fixed everything for under $200 so I still fill I got a good deal.  Plus know I am comfortable working on my Tracker.
01 Tracker - OME Springs, 2" MK1 Body Lift, Warn 6K Winch, 18x9 Wheels, Rear Roll Cage and more.  95 Tracker with all Calmini bolt ons.  96 X-90 with mini lift and Super Swampers, this one has A/C and is an auto, nice.

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Re: help deciding on sidekick
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2011, 05:39:49 PM »
oh okay, I'll bring my obd plug.


A 95 wont have an obd plug :'(


No disrespect but I was told my 95 2 door Tracker has OBD 1, a small 4 prong plug next to the battery and an on-line search confirms, could his Zuk swing both ways and be OBD confused?

http://www.obdii.com/connector.html

I found water in my front diff, the cruise control was not hooked up and the door hinge retainers were missing.  I was so excited to get my Zuk and it was cheap I overlooked things as I never owned a first gen Tracker so I did not know what to look for.  I fixed everything for under $200 so I still fill I got a good deal.  Plus know I am comfortable working on my Tracker.


A 95 trackick is OBD1.  So it will not have a plug to plug in a scanner.  Yes, it will have the plug by the battery, that you can short pins in, to read error codes.
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2011, 05:48:35 PM »
I misread he said no OBD olug not which version, so OBD os the large D style plug.  I was told you jump two pins and the turn key on and read the sequence of flashes to know the code error.  Is that correct?
01 Tracker - OME Springs, 2" MK1 Body Lift, Warn 6K Winch, 18x9 Wheels, Rear Roll Cage and more.  95 Tracker with all Calmini bolt ons.  96 X-90 with mini lift and Super Swampers, this one has A/C and is an auto, nice.

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Re: help deciding on sidekick
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2011, 05:53:48 PM »
I misread he said no OBD olug not which version, so OBD os the large D style plug.  I was told you jump two pins and the turn key on and read the sequence of flashes to know the code error.  Is that correct?

An OBD1 (89-95) will have the 4 pin or 6 pin plug by the battery that you short 2 pins together in and turn the key to run and watch the CEL flashes to see what code it is flashing.
An OBD2 (96+) will have the "D" shaped plug under the dash that you hook a scanner to (you don't short pins in it).  Then you look on the scanner to see the error codes.
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Re: help deciding on sidekick
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2011, 06:40:36 PM »
you're right snofalls, I should've used the search... I will for other general questions, I just figured wondering if the front diff was separate was an unasked question.

Mikerpm4x4, thank you for the details, I am very experienced.. I tore apart my subaru and did nearly a complete overhaul. Of course it has self adjusting valves so I didn't have to do that :P

I know you can jump obd1 or 2 but I hate reading codes and he lives far away, if the engine light is on for an unknown reason he'll have to check himself.

You Guys are the most Helpful forum I've Been on, Thank you for all the help. I'll start some searching for other stupid stuff :)

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Re: help deciding on sidekick
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2011, 07:00:08 PM »
Sorry, just wondering what the gearing differences are between samurai and 95 sidekick.. trying to search it, figured it'd be okay to ask...

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Re: help deciding on sidekick
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2011, 07:11:02 PM »
Sorry, just wondering what the gearing differences are between samurai and 95 sidekick.. trying to search it, figured it'd be okay to ask...

Samurai has 3.73 gears.
A 95 4 door sidekick will have 5.12 gears.
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