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Power Loss On 4cyl auto with 31s?
« on: November 19, 2011, 10:43:41 AM »
I'm debating about going to 31x10.50s on my 03 tracker; it is a 2.0 4 cyl automatic.  I didn't really notice any power loss going to 235s thanks to the aggressive factory gearing, but I'm wondering if I'll need to regear to go to 31s.  Anybody running 31s with factory gearing on the 4cyl autos?  If so, how much power loss?  For those of you who have regeared, what ratio did you upgrade to, and how is driveability on the road/highway?

-Thanks
-Dan
2003 chevy tracker (2.0L-auto-2 door-soft top)
MODS SO FAR....
-235/75/15 w/cragar soft 8's
-painted grill/graphics removed
-bull bar + off road lights
-Jeff's 2" spacer lift w/new rear shocks
-flowtech muffler
-Pacer Fender Flares

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Re: Power Loss On 4cyl auto with 31s?
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2011, 10:49:48 AM »
No one has chimed in on your question yet Dan so I will throw in my 2 cents.  My first 2nd gen truck was a 2000 Tracker with the 2 liter and auto transmission.  I was really surprised by how lively it was and the good use of the transmission gearing for acceleration.  My previous four trucks had been 1st generation all with the 1.6 liter either 8 or 16 valve engines... so there ya go.   I put about 50K on this first 2nd gen truck.  I DID NOT modify this truck.  I sold it in its stock configuration to buy my next 2 liter trucks with the 5 speed trannys.

The "loss of power" is a subjective topic simply because you don't always 'feel it' until you begin to drive up a hill, or begin to accelerate to pass another vehicle... or when you are trail driving and suddenly have to give your truck alot more throttle to accomplish the same task that didn't require as much throttle before you changed tire size.  Additionally, no two persons would probably describe the loss of power the same way and the concept of what is 'acceptable power loss' is equally arguable.

The automatic equipped Trackers come with the 4.88 gear sets in them (early 1.6 engine equipped trucks set aside).  They also come with 27" (+/-) tires standard as do all the Trackers regardless of engine size equipped.  Virtually any 31" tire on the market will vary from 30.4" to a full 31" in diameter (why?...  I have no idea... but probably for a similar market reason as why current women's jeans in size 6... ten years ago would have actually been size 10) so you will be effectively reducing the stock factory mechanical advantage by 11% (+/-).  The auto trannys absorb a degree of this additional wear but the power output at the wheels cannot be the same.  Obviously, this loss won't be as noticeable on flat terrain driving as it will on rolling terrain, and hills/mountains.  Add trail driving (if you intend to drive it off-road) and it would be even more noticeable.  In addition the extra tire mass factors in as well.  Some more than others.  

The manual 2 liter engine Tracker trucks came standard with 4.62 gears (37 tooth ring gear).  Replacing the 4.62s with 4.88 gears (2 more teeth on the ring gear = 39) returns most of the lost mechanical advantage when running a  28.5-29" tire.  5.12 gears  (41 tooth ring gears) will return most of the lost mechanical advantage when running 30+" tires setting aside the additional weight of some of the heavier tires.

So using this same thought process... I'd offer that to run true 31" tires on an auto tranny equipped truck AND still enjoy comparable power and accelleration of the stock size tire configuration WHILE also reducing the excessive wear on the power train that upgrading to at least 5.38 R&P gear sets would be a decent compromise.  In doing this you would be moving from a 12 bolt rear ring gear down to a 10 bolt ring gear and you would have to change the front axle side gears to 26 spline... but I'm thinking this would keep your power train close to the factory mechanical advantage AND keep your speedo reading fairly accurate.  

However, on the other hand if you live on flat plains, don't intend to ride trails and don't mind losing 'some power' just stick the 31s on and drive it.  Note your speedometer reading will be off significantly (I'm guessing in the neighborhood of 10MPH+/-).

2 door trucks may well be slightly more forgiving with slightly less weight.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2011, 11:48:14 PM by nprecon »
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Re: Power Loss On 4cyl auto with 31s?
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2011, 06:25:35 PM »
Take a look here..
http://suzuki-grandvitara.info/cms/content/view/66/64/

From what I'm aware with the 1999 - 2005 models is that the auto's came with 5.125 diffs.. and the manual equipped vehicles came with the 4.875 diffs..

I've never seen a 1999+ J20 GV with any other ratio so far..

I also know the Auto J16B models came with 5.125 diffs as well.

I ran 245/70R16 (29.5") tyres on my J20 auto and it got pretty sluggish! Ran ok at highway speeds up to 60mph (100km/h) but was a pain on hills.. (then again, my engine isn't running as it used to when it was new..)

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Re: Power Loss On 4cyl auto with 31s?
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2011, 07:09:58 PM »
Sent you a mssg, but supplemental to that if you're primarily off-roading, go for the 31's.  If you're just making a mall crawler, leave it.  Your gas mileage will take a nice hit if you run at the same speed as you push the 235's.

Re: Power Loss On 4cyl auto with 31s?
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2011, 09:16:22 AM »
There is some outstanding advice on here; thanks for all the help.  My tracker is my second vehicle, so it isn't a daily driver, but I do rely on it to get me to work (which includes highway and city driving) when the weather is bad.  It runs pretty good with the 235s, so perhaps I'll leave well enough alone for now.....(at least until I swap in a vortec v6.... >:D)
2003 chevy tracker (2.0L-auto-2 door-soft top)
MODS SO FAR....
-235/75/15 w/cragar soft 8's
-painted grill/graphics removed
-bull bar + off road lights
-Jeff's 2" spacer lift w/new rear shocks
-flowtech muffler
-Pacer Fender Flares

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Re: Power Loss On 4cyl auto with 31s?
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2011, 05:48:10 AM »
I recently put a set of 245/75R16 (30.5" ish) BF Goodrich A/Ts on my 2003 Vitara with the 4 cylinder auto.  I do find it slightly more sluggish, but not as bad as I expected.  I also found my fuel consumption went up, but again, not as bad as I expected.

If I could stuff something bigger under there, I would... that my 2 cents.
2003 4 Door Suzuki Vitara
2" Coil Spacer lift
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Re: Power Loss On 4cyl auto with 31s?
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2011, 04:41:29 PM »
Hey djaychris, just wondering how your were planning on fitting 31's? I see in your signature that you've currently just got a suspension lift. Were ya planning on augmenting with a body lift or just lots of trimming?
'00 Vitara 2.0L 5spd w/ Jeff's lift, SR Customs body lift, 5.13's, rear locker, SR Customs steel pinion collar, 1.25" wheel spacers, 15x7, 31x10.5R15 Dynapro MT's.

Re: Power Loss On 4cyl auto with 31s?
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2011, 07:24:08 AM »
Hey djaychris, just wondering how your were planning on fitting 31's? I see in your signature that you've currently just got a suspension lift. Were ya planning on augmenting with a body lift or just lots of trimming?

I would probably just redo my suspension lift and go with something like the 2.5 inch lift from Calmini (or a custom 3 or 4 inch lift) and/or a body lift.

-Dan
2003 chevy tracker (2.0L-auto-2 door-soft top)
MODS SO FAR....
-235/75/15 w/cragar soft 8's
-painted grill/graphics removed
-bull bar + off road lights
-Jeff's 2" spacer lift w/new rear shocks
-flowtech muffler
-Pacer Fender Flares

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Re: Power Loss On 4cyl auto with 31s?
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2011, 10:12:12 PM »
I would probably just redo my suspension lift and go with something like the 2.5 inch lift from Calmini (or a custom 3 or 4 inch lift) and/or a body lift.

-Dan

Sounds like fun!

And just my two, do the gear swap and save what liitle power we have! I just did the 5.13 swap and it surprised me how simple it all was in the end. Took me a whole 3 day weekend working on my back in my driveway with only wrenches and sockets. Time consuming but simple. And kind of fun.  ;D
'00 Vitara 2.0L 5spd w/ Jeff's lift, SR Customs body lift, 5.13's, rear locker, SR Customs steel pinion collar, 1.25" wheel spacers, 15x7, 31x10.5R15 Dynapro MT's.

Re: Power Loss On 4cyl auto with 31s?
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2011, 05:38:47 AM »
I'm mighty tempted.  So many options.  I found a fabrication shop near me that specializes in engine swaps.  Sounds like they would be able to stuff a vortec V6 into my tracker for relatively cheap....it's really giving me something to think about...
2003 chevy tracker (2.0L-auto-2 door-soft top)
MODS SO FAR....
-235/75/15 w/cragar soft 8's
-painted grill/graphics removed
-bull bar + off road lights
-Jeff's 2" spacer lift w/new rear shocks
-flowtech muffler
-Pacer Fender Flares

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Re: Power Loss On 4cyl auto with 31s?
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2011, 11:11:07 AM »
I'm mighty tempted.  So many options.  I found a fabrication shop near me that specializes in engine swaps.  Sounds like they would be able to stuff a vortec V6 into my tracker for relatively cheap....it's really giving me something to think about...

if this is serious... and is something I will definately be intrested in..
03' 2.0L CAMI Tracker w/ 1.5" Front Spacers, 2" Rear Spacers, 1 & 1/4" poly-rubber rear spacer w/ hose clamps, Monroe Crown Vic interceptor rear shocks,1/4" bumpstop extenders, 1.5" strut Extenders, removal of sway bar and strut bar + plenty of cutting for 245/75/16 Goodyear MTRs

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Re: Power Loss On 4cyl auto with 31s?
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2011, 07:09:48 PM »
Mmmmmmmm Vortec and 5.13's......

Me want  8)
'00 Vitara 2.0L 5spd w/ Jeff's lift, SR Customs body lift, 5.13's, rear locker, SR Customs steel pinion collar, 1.25" wheel spacers, 15x7, 31x10.5R15 Dynapro MT's.