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Offline Khan

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SPOA or Reverse Shackle
« on: March 25, 2004, 08:01:51 AM »
I finally got an 86 and I am looking to do a lift and I would like your help as to which way I should go Calmini Super lift 5" with the reverse shackle or the SPOA kit I only want to run 31 or 32's on it  I am also looking into what will suport the most weight and I see the SPOA has add-a-leafs already on the springs but then  again I can put add-a-leafs on the other Kit myself I am also looking at what is the going to be the safer kit because I have read some on the dangers of brake dive on reverse shackle lift kit. thanks for any help
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Re: SPOA or Reverse Shackle
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2004, 11:14:13 AM »
WELL WE WILL ASSUME YOUR TALKING ABOUT A SAMMY  :-/  IMPOTRANT DETAIL  ;D  CONGRATS ON YOUR NEW RIDE ...WILL LOOK FORWARD TO PICTURES  ;)  MY SAMMY WAS STOCK , AND I NOW HAVE 6" LIFTED KICK SO I'M NO HELP BUT WELCOME ABOARD AND BE PATIENT & MANY OPINIONS WILL BE AT YOUR HANDS  ;D MATTY D.  ;)
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Re: SPOA or Reverse Shackle
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2004, 11:43:27 PM »
yes sorry it is a sammy  with a 1.3 with only 55,000 miles on it and belive it or not the only leak is on the valve cover gasket .
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Re: SPOA or Reverse Shackle
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2004, 01:25:28 AM »
Hey Kahn,
You'll likely get a lot of different opinons on this here.  I guess it really depnds on your end use of your sammy.  Do you do any rock crawling?  If so, I'd have to think the spoa would give better travel...that is if you combine it with longer springs, ala RRO wrangler conversion.  
The brake dive thing almost seems to be an urban legend...although in emergency braking it may show up in spades!  I had a SR on mine for a couple of weeks, and removed it, I thought it was causing a "death wobble" which turned out to be a bad tire...doh!  I did not notice any brake dive in normal situations.
The SR might give you a little nicer ride, but I've been told the SPOA wrangler conversion is very plush.  I have CJ springs in a spring under configuration nad I have plenty of room for 31" tires.  
End the end, you probably can't do wrong with either lift...it just depends on which would work better for your situation.

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Re: SPOA or Reverse Shackle
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2004, 01:30:12 AM »
Oh yah, I almost forgot...no matter which way you go, the next question you'll ask is....Do I go with xfer case gears, or diff gears, or both?  Those big tires are going to take a hit on what little power you have.  So start looking for that second job...you might need it!  Then you'll talk header and carb, then engine swap, then.... This is fun stuff though, so onward!  Good luck.

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Re: SPOA or Reverse Shackle
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2004, 03:05:29 PM »
I ran for the longest time a BDS 4" lift kit with shackle reverse and folding shackles rolling on LTB 31x11.50's on a 8x15x2.75 backspaced wheel. I think this was a good setup and was very capable and road worthy. I also have the 5.8DSL Calmini gears in the case.
The only complaint I had was I had to move the axle forward so the tire wouldn't hit the wheel well.
Know I'm running leaf over with some ProComp 35 X's and 5.12's in the axles.  

Oh yeah don't forget to get longer brake lines you'll need them with a folding shackle.
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Re: SPOA or Reverse Shackle
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2004, 03:32:53 PM »
I have two 1988 samurai's with spoa, I went that route becase I can see better at night with the extra height, I don't get blinded by oncoming cars compaired with the 2.5 inch lift stock reversal kit. it cost a little more money the way I went and it eats up springs in the rear with out a traction bar but I plan on going to yj springs off of a 95 wrangler so I don't care too much about the stock ones, you will need gears, my silver one has 29"(30' on tire) allterrains with the 4.16 x-fer gears and it is ok, my red one is getting 5.12's for a week to try them out then putting in my 4.62's front and rear to see the difference, it has a 1.6l so I don't want to rev it that high it has 31" tsl's, so far that is a good tire size for me and my axels and I like the look. 8)
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Re: SPOA or Reverse Shackle
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2004, 09:53:31 PM »
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I ran for the longest time a BDS 4" lift kit with shackle reverse and folding shackles


What did you do about the drive shaft running an SR and folding shackles? Did you have to extend it a lot? I ask because I was considering that setup. I'm currently lifting my 410, I'm going rears up front and shackle reversal at the front and SPOA only on the rear to level it up. I have some shackles from a commercial vehicle which will make things a lot easier and I'm going to make some brackets up to extend the front spring hangers forward and down.
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Re: SPOA or Reverse Shackle
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2004, 04:09:51 AM »
Thanks for all the help so far.The kit I looking at is the 7" Trailblazer bolt on kit from Rocky-Road it is a SPOA along with new Leafs and Shocks. Since I am new to the Suzuki Modding is Rocky-Road a good company and I am also going to upgrade the Gear ratio but I,m not sure as to what I should go to I think the 5.12 would be good because of the lack of power but if I ever go to a 2.0 conversion swap then do you think that would then be to low.
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Re: SPOA or Reverse Shackle
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2004, 05:36:07 AM »
you need to give us a lot more info, like where do you plan on using it, mud,dirt roads,rocks? driving more than fifty miles on the freeway? tire size? 31" is about max on stock front axels.  what year is it?
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Re: SPOA or Reverse Shackle
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2004, 06:14:58 AM »
i have 37;s on stock axles and havent broken one yet  :D adn i jump my rig too!
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Re: SPOA or Reverse Shackle
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2004, 07:22:49 AM »
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is Rocky-Road a good company


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Re: SPOA or Reverse Shackle
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2004, 08:21:22 AM »
i like rocky road they always answer my questions and let me mix and match thier kits lol they have also costum built a few parts for me i like the way rocky road does buissness definettly nice ppl.
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Re: SPOA or Reverse Shackle
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2004, 02:12:54 PM »
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What did you do about the drive shaft running an SR and folding shackles? Did you have to extend it a lot? I ask because I was considering that setup. I'm currently lifting my 410, I'm going rears up front and shackle reversal at the front and SPOA only on the rear to level it up. I have some shackles from a commercial vehicle which will make things a lot easier and I'm going to make some brackets up to extend the front spring hangers forward and down.


With just a SR I ran a 3/4" spacer on each end because I slid my axle forward. I don't know of anybody that makes folders for the front so I made my own that open an additional 5". With a stock shaft with spacers I had to limit the shackles half way or my shaft would slide out of the splines. I then ended up fabbing a front shaft using 1.25 & 1.5" square tubing and using the stock u-joint ends. This gave me unlimited amount of travel for the front. At times it did contact the crossmember occasionally so now I'm making a new transmission support. What really sucks about the leaf under is getting the u-bolts stuck on a rock or tree.
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