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Offline MEATHEAD

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2dr or 4dr lifted
« on: November 03, 2015, 12:20:58 PM »
I've been looking for months at trackers to buy. I started searching for a hig mpg 4wd vehicle and the only thing i came up with was the tracker/vitara .. Izuzu pup .. or the jeep patriot diesel... and out of those the tracker seems the most reliable.

I am ready to purchase and have found a great deal on a 4dr tracker zr2 2.0l auto for about $2,000 less than the 2 dr. base 2.0L Auto both have 80k miles and look like new. I originally wanted the 2dr. because it's just for commute to work and hunting so the tight turning is great. But for everyday travel the 4 door seems better.

In the specs i found it shows only about 1ft. of difference in overall length and wheelbase. I plan on lifting and going with 30" or 31" tires.

Is it worth the extra $2k to get the 2dr. or will the 4dr still have plenty of clearance and tight turning? how much better is the 2dr offroad?

I've researched lifts a ton on numerous forums. the 2nd gen are hard to find info on. whats my best option for the lift to fit 31's on. altered ego would be great but seems like it's not ever coming out. calimini has no 2nd gen lift. body lift only will leave me with rub. so whats the best thing to do?

thanks in advance for the advice.

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Re: 2dr or 4dr lifted
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2015, 12:31:01 PM »
Also a few other questions....

I read the timing chain is better to replace at before it goes. at what mileage would you do this?

and how many miles before a tranny problem typically?

As for earlier lift question what I'm looking for is like below for example

2dr tracer Auto tranny

use this locker
use these gears and this ratio
buy calimini arms
buy ome struts with this rating
use rocky road springs at this rating
use pro comp shocks at this rating
use this body lift

4dr

use this locker
use these gears and this ratio
buy calimini arms
buy ome struts with this rating
use rocky road springs at this rating
use pro comp shocks at this rating
use this body lift

thanks again for any help i can get. once i purchase i will build a thread showing the install of everything that is done. i know you guys lost a ton of info so maybe my new thread can help replace a bunch of that.

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Re: 2dr or 4dr lifted
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2015, 01:35:55 PM »
go to to zukiworld.com/forum and click on the DIY build diaries.  check my post "epic 2" Boneyard Lift"  .   I did my own 99-04 2dr suspension lift - gained over 2" of frame-to-ground clearance and over 1" of suspension travel  :)
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Re: 2dr or 4dr lifted
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2015, 03:00:35 PM »
go to to zukiworld.com/forum and click on the DIY build diaries.  check my post "epic 2" Boneyard Lift"  .   I did my own 99-04 2dr suspension lift - gained over 2" of frame-to-ground clearance and over 1" of suspension travel  :)


I did read your post a few days ago. its very nice looking. I'm looking for a way to just buy parts and have them shipped to install with out much modification. I've never cut a body of a vehicle before so it intimidates me a bit. I'm looking for something whre i can buy certain parts and just slap them on and go. if not possible with 31" tires than 30" is fine

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Re: 2dr or 4dr lifted
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2015, 05:38:14 PM »
well I got a 2dr and being able to make I convertible in  the summer is nice. for the trails ya fit down most quad trails I run a body lift 2" and 2" coil spacer lift with 5:12 gear swap to help with running 30's for hunting if you go by yourself or with 1 other guy its great any more and there is no room for anything (game) in the back. I love my 2 dr and I point and it goes where I want it to without beating it to death.... I do make it work but I don't beat it up cause it needs to get me 150 miles home if I was to do it again I think that I would go 4 dr and automatic cause it will crawl easier that burning clutch out . Ive done a lot to mine as im sure you checked my build tread so any mod questions ask away, hope you find what you like   
new rig aka "the mule" 2002 tracker
V6 swap auto  ,2 dr ,2" BL,2" jeffs kit 512 gears warn hubs and 30/9.5/15 BFG AT

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Re: 2dr or 4dr lifted
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2015, 06:56:35 PM »
go to to zukiworld.com/forum and click on the DIY build diaries.  check my post "epic 2" Boneyard Lift"  .   I did my own 99-04 2dr suspension lift - gained over 2" of frame-to-ground clearance and over 1" of suspension travel  :)


I did read your post a few days ago. its very nice looking. I'm looking for a way to just buy parts and have them shipped to install with out much modification. I've never cut a body of a vehicle before so it intimidates me a bit. I'm looking for something whre i can buy certain parts and just slap them on and go. if not possible with 31" tires than 30" is fine

nope not me.  i did not cut anything.  and yes all the parts can be bought and shipped from many different manufacturers and suppliers.  im running 31.5 x10.5 256/75/16s on stock rims
« Last Edit: November 04, 2015, 09:58:28 AM by 03 Vitara 2DR (John) »
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Re: 2dr or 4dr lifted
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2015, 04:43:08 PM »
I think long term you would enjoy the 4-door Tracker more than the 2-door BECAUSE of the extra room you would have.  A 4-door Tracker isn't a "large" vehicle by any measure except when comparing it to a 2-door model or a Samurai.

I've had three 2-door models and I enjoyed them when I simply used them for a commuter while working, but if intend to do more with your truck and haul a lot of gear or more people, even a 4-door Tracker will be challenged at times for space.

To my knowledge, the ZR2 Tracker was never offered in a 4-door with the 2 liter engine.  Basic 4-door Trackers were.  The 4-door ZR2s came equipped with the 2.5 liter V6 engine.  The 2-door ZR2 Trackers came with the 2 liter engine.  Besides the plastic fender cladding and some light factory skid plates, they are no different than  other Trackers.  The plastic fender cladding is problematic to replace when you break one of them and they leave holes in the body when removed.  Between the 2 liter engine and the 2.5 liter engine, assuming both were well maintained, I would prefer the 2 liter engine all day long over the 2.5 liter because:

1. the ease and expense of repair.  The 2 liter engine's water pump is separate from the block while the water pump on the 2.5 sits behind the front engine cover in example.  To change a water pump on a 2.5 liter engine requires stripping the engine down more.  When you replace the water pump or the timing chain on a 2.5 liter, you should change both because the labor to repair either is just about the same.  Less cylinders generally = less repair costs

2. the difference in horsepower is negligible, in my opinion.  The 2.5 generates about 19 more HP than the 2 liter.

3. better fuel economy with the 2 liter engine.  The better fuel economy is money in your pocket as long as you own it.  Even when slightly modified with more gearing and larger tires, the 2 liter equipped Tracker will give you better MPG than the stock 2.5 liter Tracker.  I swapped my stock 4.62 gears for a set of 4.88 gears to run 30" tires and I can still reliably get 24 MPG out on the highway, which is down about 2 MPG before modifying the Tracker, but still almost 4 MPG better than a stock Tracker with a 2.5 engine.  Your mileage may differ depending on your driving style and tire selection.

4. the slightly longer wheel base of a 4 door will also provide you a better ride, while not significantly reducing your off road ability.

If you intend to just use your Tracker to run off road and in the woods, a 2 door is a good choice as well.  It really just depends on what you intend to use it for primarily. They are all reliable little trucks when properly maintained and the fun factor just keeps on going.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2015, 05:12:26 PM by nprecon »
'02 Chezuki Tracker with a 2 Liter and 5spd.  It works for me!!!

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Re: 2dr or 4dr lifted
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2015, 05:07:43 PM »
Also a few other questions....

I read the timing chain is better to replace at before it goes. at what mileage would you do this? Depends on the care the engine has had from prior owners.  I bought my last tracker used with 81K on it.  I could tell it had been run hard.  I changed oil frequently, ran some Sea Foam through it prior to an oil change to clean out the built up varnish, then kept it on a diet of Castrol synthetic until around 160K miles then had the timing chain kit replaced.  It now has 204K on it and so far, so good. 

If the engine has a lot of chain rattle during a cold start up... and the rattling continues for several minutes after it is started... that is the usual indicator that it needs a timing chain kit.  Mine had a little of the rattle going.  I used 2 ounces of Sea Foam during an oil change, ran it for about 3K miles then changed the oil and filter again... and the rattling disappeared as did a lot of the lifter noise.  I later changed the timing chain kit. I still have one noisy lifter that is slow to pump up occasionally.

If you wait until your timing chain fails, on a 2 liter, it will be around a $1500 repair bill from a garage for repairing the head and valves that are damaged and then replacing the timing chain kit and oil pump... providing that is all the damage that occurs in your engine. On a V-6 engine... add about another $3-500. Mitchell repair time for a 2 liter is around 8 hours and around 11 hours for the 2.5 liter engine, so expect more labor expense on the V6, plus more parts like valves that may need replaced, ground, etc.


and how many miles before a tranny problem typically? Again, depends on how it was cared for by prior owner/s.  In example, if the gear oil was never changed AND the PO mounted a set of 31" tires on it and drove the B-jesus out of it, then your front input shaft and bearings in your tranny will probably be worn and need replaced when you pull it to replace the clutch.  The clutch will go out prematurely as well.

As for earlier lift question what I'm looking for is like below for example

2dr tracer Auto tranny

use this locker I'm running a 1512LR Lock Right.  Others have run ARBs with some modification to the ring gear.
use these gears and this ratio If you intend to run 31" tires, you will need to upgrade your diff gears to pull them easier and take some of the additional strain off your drive train.  5.12 gears from 1st gen rack/Kicks help some, but if you want more gear than that, the only new gears available are in the 5.72 range and are offered by 4Xfourart out of Turkey.  5.72 gears may be slight over kill for 31" tires, but your drive train would love them.
buy calimini arms Many have tried them, many like them, but they are NOT necessary.
buy ome struts with this ratingI have nothing but good comments on OME suspensions.  Call up Trail Tough or Low Range, tell them what model of truck you have, what you have added or intend to add to it (weight wise) and they will hook you up with the correct OME combo to put a smile on your face. I've run an oME suspension for over 50K and it is still going strong.  The OME suspnsion greatly improves the ride and handling or your truck as well.
use rocky road springs at this ratingNo experience with these... so no feed back
use pro comp shocks at this rating as above, no experience with these
use this body liftHaven't used these either.  Some people build their own, others buy them in kits either metal or of the super polymer plastic.  If i bought some, i'd buy the plastic.  They are bullet proof and don't squeak.

4dr - same as above.

use this locker
use these gears and this ratio
buy calimini arms
buy ome struts with this rating
use rocky road springs at this rating
use pro comp shocks at this rating
use this body lift

thanks again for any help i can get. once i purchase i will build a thread showing the install of everything that is done. i know you guys lost a ton of info so maybe my new thread can help replace a bunch of that.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2015, 05:23:55 PM by nprecon »
'02 Chezuki Tracker with a 2 Liter and 5spd.  It works for me!!!

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Re: 2dr or 4dr lifted
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2015, 07:48:37 AM »
One comment - as far as I know Calamini does not sell the arms separately, you have to get the entire kit - you may be able to get similar arms from other sources, 4xfourart in Turkey, or Kreator (one of the forum members).
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Re: 2dr or 4dr lifted
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2015, 11:29:08 AM »
Thanks for the responses! i got the info i needed. now i just have to decide if i'm going 2 door or 4 door. here's what I'm down too.

2000 2dr base tracker in blue. 2.0L with white top. 70k miles mostly towing miles behind rv in perfect shape. $6500.00 don't like color and price seems high to me but is rare to have low miles.

1999 2dr. base tracker in black . 2L motor 142k miles $3500.00 in great shape. Black shows scratches but it looks better than blue. higher miles but cheaper is it worth the savings over the blue one.

2001 4dr says it's a 2L even though its a ZR2 . 85k miles $4000.00 in good shape not as nice as the 2drs but low miles.

everything else is closer to 200k miles for $3500 - $4500

I just need to make up my mind. I keep debating between the 2drs. one has less miles but it's $3000.00 more I don't know if 70k extra miles is worth the extra price. but i do plan on keeping this forever. at first for a commuter then later a serious hunting offroad rig.

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Re: 2dr or 4dr lifted
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2015, 02:33:04 PM »
4 dr ZR2 sounds cool- but so do the black/blue ones...    do u want extra room? longer wheelbase?  i think the convertibles are fun in summer time.  but low mileage is sweet.  unmolested perhaps.  but its all opinions from here lol
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Re: 2dr or 4dr lifted
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2015, 06:58:22 PM »
Whatever miles shown on 99+ trackers are driven miles I bought that boloney when I bought mine. I have a 2 door auto and I tow it miles don't change when towed. Still low mileage though I got up to 237,000 before I had to replace engine. 2dr with a locker and with 31" tires will go where any stock jeep will and where a lot of modded jeeps will
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Re: 2dr or 4dr lifted
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2015, 06:48:17 AM »
Cap'n's right on the mileage thing - it's an electronic speedometer - when the ignition is off it doesn't record the distance travelled.
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Re: 2dr or 4dr lifted
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2015, 04:27:29 PM »
Meathead, why not add the criteria of "which vehicle has the most documented service records" on it to your selection process?  The more you KNOW that has been maintained/repaired/replaced on the vehicle you are considering to purchase, in theory, the less repairs or questionable condition the vehicle should be in and the less surprises later on.

If you intend to keep the truck for a long time, less mileage would be more better up front.  That ZR2 model with a 2 liter engine still puzzles me. 

Generally these little trucks are very forgiving... except for the long term abuse of not having regular oil changes or using the wrong oil when the oil changes are done.
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Re: 2dr or 4dr lifted
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2015, 08:46:26 AM »
I am partial to the 4 door for the slightly higher capacity when traveling.  It only looks big next to a 2 door Sidekick.  It is miniature next to a stock full size truck.  The 4 door is also better on the road and not as noisy as the 2 door.  It is still not a quiet vehicle, just not as noisy as the soft top.  If you just want an off road toy, then put some more points to the 2 door.

I agree with nprecon.  Looking for the best maintenance record is an excellent idea.  I bought my 97 Sport with 120k miles on it, from a friend who was as meticulous about maintaining it.  I will have 236k miles on it by tomorrow.  I use synthetic oil at the recommended weight and monitor fluids regularly, so did he.

I have a well documented lift on 255/70R16 all terrains,which are about 31 inches.  It is easy to reproduce and do in your driveway.  The only special tool needed is a spring compressor from Harbor Freight.  It uses a combination of OME springs for a Grand Vitara and Jeff spacers.  The goal is to get the Kreator kit, giving me more travel and lift.

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