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1.6 swap?
« on: March 04, 2004, 04:06:19 AM »
A friend just purchased an 88.5 Samurai tin top and a rusted out 89 Sidekick.  As you properly realize, he’s swapping the 1.3 for the EFI 1.6 8v.  Question; what is a good swap kit?  Is there a real difference between the Rocky Road and the Calmini kit?  What are your experiences with the kits and the company’s in question?  Are there any other kits available worth considering?  As far as the wiring harnesses, can he just plug in and go play?  Can he use the fuel pump off the Sidekick?  Assuming the manual pump off the tin top will not work.  
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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2004, 04:30:40 AM »
I always call and talk to Brent over at trail tough, he has all the parts in stock and next day delivery, he does a lot of engine swaps, prob. every day on a lot of diffrent rigs too! he owns the company and he answers the phone and is always willing to talk to you. p.s. you get what you pay for, he does not sell junk.
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Re: 1.6 swap?
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2004, 05:04:41 AM »
i have too agree with mrfuelish . trail tough will deliver a great product with fantastic support. ihad brent do my motor swap for me it looks like it came from the factory.  I also have almost every mod  that trail tough has. top notch quality . Brent will also help with things like ,you have too shim the body , customize cable mount,and a few other things i can not remember .

ps; mrfuelish didnt you have some questions for me about 87 tin top.
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Re: 1.6 swap?
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2004, 05:49:38 AM »
One thing to take into consideration is that a 1.6 will not fit in a stock zuki. The oil pan will hat the axle and that would be very bad. You need at least 2 inches of lift to make it work. Or you could have a 1.3 motor oil pan modified to work on the 1.6 block.
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2004, 06:00:02 AM »
 I have, and have installed on other sammys, the Trailtough kit, it is very well built with great customer service. On the other hand, I've seen and installed the new Petroworks kit on another sammy. It lowers the engine and offsets it to the passenger side slightly, replaces the weak sammy motor mount setup altogether. It makes it so you have room for the 16v 1.6 not to rub on the hood and has room for the exhaust. The petroworks kit is more money about $250, theTrailtough kit is about $150. Don't use the Calmini kit, you have to drill the bellhousing out for the top 2 bolts. Otherwise the Calmini kit is a good kit, just don't like the idea of having to drill the bellhousing.
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2004, 01:56:19 PM »
anybody here put 1.3L FI swift engines in? it would SEEM to be an easier choice, i really havent heard much about it though
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2004, 02:38:49 PM »
 That is a pain in the butt swap as far as the details are concerned. The water manifold behind the water pump is completely different, the distributor points out the back instead of at an angle to the side. The intake has no thermostat provision (see water manifold statement). Need I say more? You could make it work, but why? Just go with a 1.6 8v and go through Roadless Gear and have them modify the 1.6 intake to accomodate the Weber with no adaptor and put in an Isky power (not torquer)cam with a header and 2" exhaust. All you need to know is....WOW! Cheaper and easier than wiring in a 16v. And almost as much power as the 16v. If the Weber is setup properly, it will perform excellent! ;D
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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2004, 01:22:19 AM »
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I have, and have installed on other sammys, the Trailtough kit, it is very well built with great customer service. On the other hand, I've seen and installed the new Petroworks kit on another sammy. It lowers the engine and offsets it to the passenger side slightly, replaces the weak sammy motor mount setup altogether. It makes it so you have room for the 16v 1.6 not to rub on the hood and has room for the exhaust. The petroworks kit is more money about $250, theTrailtough kit is about $150. Don't use the Calmini kit, you have to drill the bellhousing out for the top 2 bolts. Otherwise the Calmini kit is a good kit, just don't like the idea of having to drill the bellhousing.

Who's kit doesn't require a 2" lift?  Is that a suspension or body lift?    
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2004, 01:48:08 AM »
Oops, one more question.  What's this oil pan mod about?  I mean why do you have to and is there a kit that doesn't need oil pan mod?
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2004, 02:06:48 AM »
Hope I can add a good two cents here. The 1.3 block and the 1.6 block are basicaly the same just a longer stroke on the 1.6.  But the 1.6 block uses a longer oil pan an needs to be swithced out for a 1.3 oil pan and the baffling needs to be cut out.  An the oil pick up tube nees to be shortred  by I belive 2 or 3 inches Cant remeber.  There is a great write up on www.aftermarket4x4.com.  If you plan on using the carb with the 1.6 it is just like wring up the 1.3 but if you want to go to the fuel injection you will have to change the wiring.   I know a guy who does nice wiring and is very cheap his name is whazoo on the off-road bbs.  Him and I have done 16v harness an I know he does 8v also.  Any questions have at it.  By the way if you buy the Trail tough motor adaptor it comes with the bushings for the front body clip lift.  
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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2004, 03:01:21 AM »
mine has the spring over with the 16 valve, so you do not have to cut the oil pan with the extra 4.5 inches of lift and one inch body lift it is good to go.  if you don't go spoa you will need to cut the oil pan,and you should use about a one inch body lift with the spua, street rig then cut the pan and do a one inch body lift even if it is only the first two set of mounts(a little less on the second set) does that have you confused even more now :)
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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2004, 03:25:03 AM »
 The reason you have to have at least 3" of SUSPENSION lift is because the pan hangs down too low and it will hit the oil pan, unless you heavily modify the 1.6 pan, or make the 1.3 pan work. You'd be better off to do a spoa and leave the kick pan intact. That way you get more benefit out of both. The Petroworks kit, you don't have to touch the body mounts at all. That's the beauty of it.
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