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Ok, who wants to straight axle their track-kick?
« on: January 30, 2004, 05:48:37 PM »
 I'm thinking about making wide zuki axles for the trackers and kicks. I want to know how much interest there is for this.
It would be a budget price deal with no suspension. There would be only the front axle housing, shafts, diff, and brakes and hubs. I'm planning on different options like small or large diff, 22 or 26 spline, crossover or full spring over steering.
I'm testing the market to see how much interest there is before I start making them in very much volume.
I'm bulding one for Heather's 4dr kick, and I already built one for my lwb sammy to match the kick rear that I have in the truck. Both are the large diff version with 26 spline.
Another option will be to have the birfs done with the Longfield treatment.
Let me know if there is any demand for this.
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Re: Ok, who wants to straight axle their track-kic
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2004, 02:47:11 AM »
prices?
   

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Re: Ok, who wants to straight axle their track-kic
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2004, 03:16:02 AM »
and just to say, i am vary interested in only the front axle.
   

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Re: Ok, who wants to straight axle their track-kic
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2004, 05:05:28 AM »
Me too. ;D ;D ;D
94 purple/green splash tracker w/ calmini 3' heavly modified lift 32 11.5 r15 bfg m/t's  & custom air induction and header w/ 2"exh. no cat lockrite rear 2" B/L and a heavy right foot and now 583s steel up front and locked.
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Re: Ok, who wants to straight axle their track-kic
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2004, 05:14:00 AM »
would the diff be steel, locked, geared?  just some ?

Stu
   

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Re: Ok, who wants to straight axle their track-kic
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2004, 07:13:20 AM »
 Hmm....nice to see there actually is more than just a slight interest in these.
The diff will be either the sammy, front or rear, or the kick rear. So to answer the question of steel or? The answer is steel, duh.
The gears are going to depend on what your needs are. And that will be a variable that won't be able to be answered until individual orders are placed. I will be able to supply 4.62s, 4.88s, 5.12s, possibly 4.10s and 4.30s. As far as 5.83s, 5.62s, and 5.38s you will have to supply the gears. The setup will be done by Trailtough for the sammy small diff versions and the 5.83s for the large diff will have to be setup by them as well.
The base price with the small diff 22 spline with crossover steering will be about $1000. Add $100 for spring over steering. Add $250 for 26 spline. Add $100 for the large diff. Shock mounts will be included, but not welded on for mounting options. The loaded version with an open diff and common ratio, spoa steering, 26 spline large diff, will cost you $1450. The shafts are chro-moly from OTT Industies in B.C. The only other options would be Longfields for about $250, that will help with strength for a locker, and of coarse either a lockrite, Calmini lsd, or ARB.
Any other questions, just ask.
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Re: Ok, who wants to straight axle their track-kic
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2004, 07:58:20 AM »
 Another point about this front end, it is rebuilt. New trunion and wheel bearings and seals.
Also, I can make it for slightly wider than sammy stock, 2" for people that want more width and a little more strength.
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Re: Ok, who wants to straight axle their track-kic
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2004, 09:25:05 AM »
very interested
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Re: Ok, who wants to straight axle their track-kic
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2004, 10:01:27 AM »
hey jake, i have seen your tracker all over the place on the web, nice rig.  i think i left a message on your car domain site once.

Stu
   

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Re: Ok, who wants to straight axle their track-kic
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2004, 03:40:35 PM »
Just for comparison of axle manu's using the Suzuki hardware as much as possible, take a look at
1 - http://www.spidertrax.com/drivetrain_sdw.htm.
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Re: Ok, who wants to straight axle their track-kic
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2004, 05:59:42 PM »
 That is a great comparison. $1700 for a frontend with no steering, hubs, spindles, or brakes.
I'm talking about getting a frontend for much less that has all necessary parts for you to put suspension on it and put it in your truck. I'm sure there are people out here that have the money to shell out for the "other brands", but there are more looking for a cheaper alternative to put under their kicks. That is what I'm trying to touch on.
I can make a version similar to the Big Suzana or the Sidewinder, but, the cost of the specialty pieces involved is stupid if you break something.
The only pieces that are special to my front end is the housing and inner shafts (which are high quality chromoly...much stronger than o.e. by far!). The knuckles and everything else is easy to find.
Also, Spidertrax, for example, doesn't use a lot of off the shelf Suzuki stuff on the front axle. The hub and brake assembly is not included and uses an adaptor and special short shaft to be able to use the zuk stuff. Also the inner shaft is?? Special to Spidertrax.
My front end uses all sammy stuff with the exception of the inner shafts, tie rod, and housing. All rebuildables are stock Suzuki stuff. Tie rod ends, trunion bearings, wheel bearings, seals, birfields, everything!
By the look of things, Jagular, you look as if you are going to go that route sometime soon from what I can gather from your webshots pics. The reason that I'm doing this front end is to be reasonably priced for the "masses" to be able to go SAS where otherwise they would only be able to dream about it because it was at least $500 to far out of reach.
I'm not knocking the other front ends on the market, I'm just providing a more economical front option.
« Last Edit: January 31, 2004, 06:30:20 PM by idaholwb »
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Re: Ok, who wants to straight axle their track-kic
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2004, 02:42:04 AM »
SOUNDS GOOD IDAHOLWB WISH I ONLY HAD MORE CASH TO DUMP INTO IT RIGHT NOW  :'(.......BUT ITS NICE TO KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE A CHEAPER OPTION OUT THERE....IF I WANNA DO THIS LATER......MATTY D.  8)

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Re: Ok, who wants to straight axle their track-kic
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2004, 02:54:13 AM »
Quote
Hmm....nice to see there actually is more than just a slight interest in these.
The diff will be either the sammy, front or rear, or the kick rear. So to answer the question of steel or? The answer is steel, duh.
The gears are going to depend on what your needs are. And that will be a variable that won't be able to be answered until individual orders are placed. I will be able to supply 4.62s, 4.88s, 5.12s, possibly 4.10s and 4.30s. As far as 5.83s, 5.62s, and 5.38s you will have to supply the gears. The setup will be done by Trailtough for the sammy small diff versions and the 5.83s for the large diff will have to be setup by them as well.
The base price with the small diff 22 spline with crossover steering will be about $1000. Add $100 for spring over steering. Add $250 for 26 spline. Add $100 for the large diff. Shock mounts will be included, but not welded on for mounting options. The loaded version with an open diff and common ratio, spoa steering, 26 spline large diff, will cost you $1450. The shafts are chro-moly from OTT Industies in B.C. The only other options would be Longfields for about $250, that will help with strength for a locker, and of coarse either a lockrite, Calmini lsd, or ARB.
Any other questions, just ask.


Would this work on an xl-7 ????

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Re: Ok, who wants to straight axle their track-kic
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2004, 04:57:56 AM »
 Yes it would work on an XL-7. You would have to give me a width of the rear end inside of the backing plated for the rear end. You also need to tell me what gear ratio it has. I'd recommend using the large diff version with possibly a lsd in it.
Might not be a bad idea to use the Wilwood 4-piston caliper upgrade in front with slotted rotors just because of the extra weight of the truck. I'll check on the price of those parts for you.
You will have to convert to a Sidekick power steering box, and you might need new front brake lines that are longer than what you have, I'm not sure about that part. I haven't had a chance to dig in to one of those that much, but I will research that part for you.
Do you have a suspension disign that you want to use, or have you gotten that far? How much lift are you planning on having? What size tires do you want to run?
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Re: Ok, who wants to straight axle their track-kic
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2004, 06:33:47 AM »
Thanks for the info on your setup. I can understand what you are wanting to do. KISS is the name of the game. I showed the link to Spidertrax just for a comparison on the parts, and custom stuff they use. In comparison to your axles you're wanting to use, is there a manu'd axle already out there?

I know you are wanting to keep it Suzuki also, but have you looked into the Ford TTB D44? It's the twin traction beam for the 4wd Ford from 1980-1996 1/2 tons? In mid 80's the drop out mount changed, but that's not a big deal. To add, the knuckle out could be used simple enough with a custom axle knuckle 'C' as it's a 5 on 5.5 bolt pattern. What is good about the TTB D44, is the amount of ratios/lockers available. The D44 is the same as any other, so axles only need to be shortened and resplined. The larger discs will help with the braking efforts of larger tires. It's a reverse cut setup, so going to a SAS from a IFS, you need to bring that pinion up for better ds angle.
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