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Grand Vitara / Tracker Mods
« on: February 09, 2004, 12:17:44 AM »
Anyone know of any good tech articles on modding current model GV's/trackers ???.
Not interested in the 3in cal lift but looking 1.5-2" lift that wont pop my front axle.
BTW what is the US equivalent of the UK Grad Vitara and what year did production start as there seems to be some overlap of years between the models, makes it difficult sourcing parts from the US.

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Steve

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Re: Grand Vitara / Tracker Mods
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2004, 02:58:07 AM »
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Anyone know of any good tech articles on modding current model GV's/trackers ???.
Not interested in the 3in cal lift but looking 1.5-2" lift that wont pop my front axle.
BTW what is the US equivalent of the UK Grad Vitara and what year did production start as there seems to be some overlap of years between the models, makes it difficult sourcing parts from the US.

cheers

Steve


In your picture, seems you have a US-looking Vitara model (3rd generation of the Trackick platform (anyone know the Suzuki # of the platform?)). You probably have a diesel also, whereas in US there is no such thing for a Suzuki. You have a 2dr version of the US 4dr version. Having something like this here in the US I think would work well, I'd like to get one. Basically you have an enclosed cabin with integral roof. US 2drs come with a conv't, w/ aftermarket available hardtops, both of which is not integral of the roof.

I'd wonder if you have a rack and pinion steering (3rd generation) or the ball/socket steering box (1st/2nd generation) off the side of the frame. The steering box will have an idler arm which is opposite it on other side of the frame and supports the idler and tie rods.

On 3rd generation, front sway bar should be located behind the front axle. 1st/2nd generation, IIRC sway bar located forward of the front axle.

In US models, there is a difference between the strut cone heights of the 1st/2nd generation and the 3rd generation. On the 3rd generation, there is a strut tower support bar which goes over the top of the engine to each strut tower. This triangulates the forces on the mounts and strenthens the functions of the frame.

Next, I've been told there is a difference between the lower control arms between the 1st/2nd generation and the 3rd generation. So something like a Calmini lift with the lower control arms won't swap between the years.

1st/2nd generation models have the advantage of using the 3rd generation coil springs for a slight lift of 2+". They fit exact and are stock manufacturer items.  The 3rd generation strut has been stated to have a greater droop travel than the 1st/2nd generation. It also should be a complete easy bolt in.

For ideas on lifting your Vitara model (assuming 3rd generation platform), here are a few ideas (which I'll be implementing on my X):
* replace the taller strut cone mount with the earlier shorter one - this should provide more droop travel and keep in design travel ranges of the cv's; adapt the strut tower brace
* add a spring spacer to the top of the coils, say 3/4" to 1-1/8". The front coil spacer will have to be shorter than the rear due to the location of the spacer in reference to the wheel mount and the configuration of the link. The length and configuration of the control arm is a benefit. If lifted to high, and you have rack and pinion steering, you may have to place the outer tie rod on top of the knuckle rather than underneath.
* add longer rear shocks to get most droop travel as possible statically. Check parking brake cables, brake lines, wiring (ABS-equipped), and the diff breather for any 'shortages'. Same check for the front steering, brake lines, cv's (slight rotation of the tire to 'feel' any friction in them), ABS wiring, and tie rod. Decide if you want to add droop limiting straps.
* remove the coils and check for compression interferences and shock/strut compression lengths. Bounce stops should be the limiter on the compression. For the front, don't forget to check for turning interference with the tire and body.
* add a slight body lift of 1-2" . This has to be small to work with the stock steering shaft (3rd generation model with rack and pinion) unless you otherwise can make a spacer for the steering shaft for a taller body lift.

Hope all this helps.
Lenexa, KS

Re: Grand Vitara / Tracker Mods
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2004, 06:02:00 AM »
Mine is a 2003 UK Grand Vitara 1600cc 16v (hey getting 35 mpg  ;D)
Base model with no extras, yours for £10000 if you haggle at dealers. The soft-top overhere is still the pre-facelift model with older interior, my model with newer front and updated interior came out feb last year, mine has the same front end as your xl-7 but they have now changed the xl-7 nose over here. I actually got rid of a jeep liberty ltd for this due to concerns of bending a high value vehicle off road and crap auto box fitted to the 2.8CRD. The GV is streets ahead of the KJ in terms of build quality and offroad performance stock  :o
I belive my gv is pretty much the same setup as your xl-7, where at the soft top 2-dr has some bits over from the earlier vitaras. Mine deffo has a steering rack and not a box, also the front arb/sway bar is behind the bottom suspension arm.

Will a 1 to 1.5 in coil spacer lift require the front hubs to be spaced out? and does the front suspension change much in camber when it is lifted say 1.5in?

My current thinking is a 1in body lift and a 1.5in suspension lift with coil spacers, due to the small engine I want to keep the tyre size fairly stock so as not to ruin performance, it has v little engine braking as it is without larger tyres. I am also looking as some sort of front diff skid plate as it is v vunerable (see my web site for piccies) Would also be interested in getting hold of a front strut brace as UK cars dont have them.
BTW the diesel gets poor reviews over here as the fuel economy is v similar to the 1600 and costs £2500 more, also it is tunes to suit a car so that there is little low down torque and it requires reving to get anywhere

cheers

Steve  :)
« Last Edit: February 09, 2004, 06:07:33 AM by offroading.net »

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Re: Grand Vitara / Tracker Mods
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2004, 09:49:47 AM »
I just got a 2004 Vitara V6 and I plan to do the 1 inch spacer lift, so I don't have to do any other mods. I'm running 225/70/16 BFG tires but plan to get 235/70/16's in the future.

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Re: Grand Vitara / Tracker Mods
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2004, 11:44:05 AM »
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The 3rd generation strut has been stated to have a greater droop travel than the 1st/2nd generation. It also should be a complete easy bolt in.


Not true.  Benn there, done it.  Both the struts and the shocks of the GV are the same as the Sidekicks.

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For ideas on lifting your Vitara model (assuming 3rd generation platform), here are a few ideas (which I'll be implementing on my X):
* replace the taller strut cone mount with the earlier shorter one - this should provide more droop travel and keep in design travel ranges of the cv's; adapt the strut tower brace


Flip the 3rd Gen strut cone.  Even more droop.
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Re: Grand Vitara / Tracker Mods
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2004, 02:10:50 PM »
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Not true.  Benn there, done it.  Both the struts and the shocks of the GV are the same as the Sidekicks.


Really, I thought your swap week ago showed it to have a better travel. Oh well. Thanks for the info.


[/quote]Flip the 3rd Gen strut cone.  Even more droop.
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That's quite a bit of flip. It's some 3" over the frame mount.
Lenexa, KS