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power steering? HELP!!!!!!
« on: December 18, 2003, 05:20:58 AM »
Anyone knows how many PSI a 2.0 Lt 2000 Tracker power steering pump puts out?

I’m planning to change from 31´s Mud´s to 33´s Bogers and also adding an Hydraulic Assist Steering System.

Any Ideas? suggestions?



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« Last Edit: December 18, 2003, 09:35:56 AM by Snoopy »
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Re: power steering? HELP!!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2003, 12:30:16 PM »
nice rig  :o

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Re: power steering? HELP!!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2003, 02:28:53 PM »
seems to me it's around 800 psi,
rack and pinions are a little higher.
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Re: power steering? HELP!!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2003, 02:31:07 PM »
Looks to me lie that zuke needs to invest some money in some rock sliders :-/, but that is still a very nice rig you got
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Re: power steering? HELP!!!!!!
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2003, 04:05:10 AM »
Thanks,
Its 800 psi enough to move a Jeep power stering box.

Is there any way to modify/upgrade the tracker pump to gain more flow or pressue?

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Re: power steering? HELP!!!!!!
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2003, 02:54:26 PM »
On my toyota pump I screwed out the high pressure fitting where the line goes. Then I had taken the bypass valve apart and shimmed the spring to increase pressure. You should really set a base line so know what you have and how much you need to increase.  I would first try the setup and then if it wasn't enough I'd get a high pressure gauge(2000psi) and start with a reading. Then as I shim out the spring I can see my improvements with future readings.  
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Re: power steering? HELP!!!!!!
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2003, 03:25:10 AM »
Thanks,
let me dig in my steering pump.
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Re: power steering? HELP!!!!!!
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2004, 02:45:46 AM »
Can a Trackick power steering pump be modified the same way? I need to put a cooler on mine, after a bit in the woods I start to get a little squeal when turning the wheels. Ive got new belts on it and same thing happens.

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Re: power steering? HELP!!!!!!
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2004, 03:59:13 AM »
If you need to put a cooler in yours, it could be done. Earl's performance products makes adapters for the Banjo style fittings on our pumps that convert them to AN type fittings.  I checked before and it seems like they do have the correct sized ones available (yes in metric!)

Going that route you could run some braided stainless lines to a cooler in line between the suction side of the pump and the steering gearbox.  Putting the cooler on the pressure side would be a bad move obviously since the system can spike some pretty high pressures at maximum left and right "lock" positions.  Even normal operating pressures would probably blow a cooler apart anyway.

That said, I don't think you actually would need it the cooler. It's probably just be the belt loosening up a tad as you warm it up from heavy use.   Tighten it a little bit more or look at making a turnbuckle style strut from some small spherical rod end bearings to let you fine tune the tension on that belt a little bit more. (Plus then it can't work it's way looser again anyway).  If you have AC it's easy to do because you mount the strut in place of the AC tensioner bracket.  If you've only got the power steering it would need to be a little different but since I haven't seen one without AC first hand I'm not sure exactly what you'd need to do to make it work.

I honestly can't say as I've ever heard of a power steering pump that required a cooler.
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Re: power steering? HELP!!!!!!
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2004, 06:21:44 AM »
After a bit of riding my ps reservoir is hot. The squealing doesnt happen on the roads only when offroading. Ive seen the coolers for sale and thought it might be something to look at. Do you have any pics of that turnbuckle thing? Ill probably try that to see if it helps.

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Re: power steering? HELP!!!!!!
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2004, 06:42:30 AM »
I have one on mine and it seems to work good, It is from petro works on page 13 of there online cataloge. only 29.00 dollars   part number, pwp7999  comes with the hose also.
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Re: power steering? HELP!!!!!!
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2004, 08:36:48 AM »
I can take some, just need to get off my butt and do it.  Basically its just two spherical rod end bearings (5/16" size) one left hand thread, one right hand thread.  The nuts that the threaded shaft on them screws into are welded into a piece of 1/2" tubing and then they're screwed into that.  They have a jamnut to lock it in place but with the jamnuts loosened you can just tighten it by hand to the appropriate tension.  If you turn it one way it lengthens, if you turn it the other way it retracts.  If you want to be able to put more torque on the link when you tighten it, just drill a hole straight through the sides of the tubing big enough to put a small Allen wrench or small screwdriver through, honestly hand tight was plenty good on mine so you probably won't need to.

If I recall correctly the piece of tubing in the center only ended up as like 1 1/2 inches long or something ridiculously short like that.  I actually had to cut part of the threaded rod portion of the rod end bearings off with a dremel to get them to suck in enough because of the 3 1/2" total span from the centerpoint of the lock down bolt on the top of the AC compressor to the hole I drilled in the existing bracket that the AC compresor tensioning bolt tightens to.  I cut that off right up by where it bolts onto the cylinder head and then put a bolt through that with the threaded part facing forward.  I also swapped out the bolt that used to thread into the compressor with a 8mmx1.25" stud because it's actually easier to work with that way and is easier on the compressor casting in terms of the load it exerts.  I'm sure a picture's worth 1000 words though.  Just got to get the digital camera out there and take a picture for ya.

I used the 5/16 rod end bearings because metric ones are stupid expensive, and for this application 5/16 is so close to 8mm that it fits nice anyway.  (Also handy to know for buying inexpensive hardened washers for your 8mm diameter fasteners instead of metric ones)

Material cost was all of 10 bucks or so, the rod end bearings were about 3 bucks each and the only reason the tubing was so expensive was because I used stainless and bought a 4 foot remnant of it since it didn't make much sense to pay a 5 dollar cutting charge at the metal store for a 1 1/2" piece of tubing.  

If you MIG weld it, it's sorta tough because the wire feed tends to push the nut out of position in the tube end.  If you have access to a TIG welder it would be much easier.

Also put something like the cut off pieces of the threaded section of the rod end bearings in the nuts when you weld em so you don't get spatter in the threads.

Now that I think of it the tube might have been slightly larger than 1/2 inch too.  Just buy the rod end bearings first and then match up some tubing that just barely slips over the outside of the nuts.

Anyway that's the basics of it, it's actually pretty simple to make one.