bout how much it cost u, how reliable is it, and how much more stress is it putten on ur engine...thanx for the help

I forgot the most important part, How Much !!
the Turbo and all plumbing was $60 from a pick it your self
wrecker, wiggle the compressor side B4 u pull it, if it moves
in out or up down skip it, it needs a rebuild, should not move
noticeably and should feel a little stiff when first turned, like a
precision machine tool, then rotate fairly easy.

the header was about $70 for the steel and the computer cut
flange that was patterned after the exhaust gasket of 1/2" plate.

I would say I have $400 or $500 total into this setup.
Intercooler and hoses and stainless hardware, just all
adds up.

Reliable, yes, It's a daily driver, and with 31" tires still
has a lot more power than stock on stock tires.

yes i too would like some pics of this setup.....

but i was thinking of using the dodge 2.2 turbo i can get em for 35 bucks at a local yard here .......

and yes it helps being an old fart because ive been using this same yard for over 20 yrs and if its some thing they dont sell much of i can get it real cheap and the turbos they have they have never sold 1 they seemed surprised that even asked about it.......

but please send some pics so i can see how this is done i have a 13 b out of a swift that i think could handle the boost........

that 13 b is the first 4 banger ive ever seen with a main bearing web setup on the bottom end .....dont get me wrong it is a cheezy little stamping but its still a web setup....and it screaming for some type of forced indution setup........

I uploaded some pics, no order or page yet but if you want to
look at what I posted here is the address, just look around
I'll work on getting a page formatted and the pics in an order
so it will make more sence with the details explained.

http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/zookmods/

Enjoy,
Darrin

I got some time to put up a page instead of just the pics, I included a little history
and some details, but this is such an involved project, there is lots more to come.

I will update the site with the questions asked here in the forum so the more questions
the more detail the site will have. site address is the same.

Please forgive the stupid pop-up, it's a free site trying to peddle their junk you know,
just close the pop window and it will stop.  

http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/zookmods

Hey, how much would you charge for one of those headers? Even if it is just tack welded I can do the final welding.

Later,
Bill

The header is a one off, and to do another
would be much too difficult without a sidekick
right there for the trial and error fitting.

I would consider re-doing another manifold if
I had not moved to a house without a garage.

As it is now my welder and stuff is at my brothers house
to keep it out of the weather, the best I could suggest
is to use yours or another kick to do the mock up work.

I will get around to re-doing a new manifold, but I just
doon't have any way of getting it done.

A one off unit would have to ba around $250-300 plus materials
which is about $80, for about double parts cost, you could make
a cool stainless steel manifold that would never need replacing,
I may do that with my next one, or have it ceramic coated, but
that would cost more than stainless from the priceing I got.

Stainless turns a cool golden color with heat, and looks very
distinctive, you won't see many SS manifolds.

I need to buy a house with a garage / shop,
then I start playing again


Darrin

Darrin,

Found your website kind of by chance. I had no idea anyone else had a turbo Zuk running around, let alone someone living so close to me. (I'm in Lake Forest/Anaheim)

By the way, did you steal the turbo sticker off my web site?  
http://rz-products.com/WAYNE/UPDATES/UPDATES.HTML

No worries..  

How safe do you think it is to have such a high fuel pressure? I honestly have no idea, but seems most people stay around 80 psi or below.

Anyhow, the main reason I am posting is regarding the fuel management. The Suzuki injection system is actually a Mitsubishi system, similar to the one on my Mitsubishi swap in my Samurai. I'm thinking you might be able to connect an AFC piggyback to the stock computer. This will allow you to dial in the extra fuel, or even run a larger fuel injector.

Here is a link for you:
roadraceengineering .com
set up:
roadraceengineering .com/newafc.htm

Once I start tuning for power I will be picking up one of these. You can usually find them for a fair price used. As I recall this is a rather universal piggy back that can also be used on Hondas and the such. I'd say thisis well worth the effort.

Another option is an extra set of injectors with their own computer. But this could get spendy.

With what I have heard about the Mega squirt and other total replacement CPUs, you may not be very happy with it. I like to keep the operation of my vehicle nace and simple... Anyone can drive my rig as it requires nothing special. But an aftermarket CPU will end up training you to get accaptable performance out of it.

Trust me, I'd love to drop an AEM CPU into my rig, and I may down the run, but for now, nothing beats the ease of use, and quality idle that the stock computer offers. If I want to go crazy for power, this the AEM goes in.

The 200 to 250 HP I currently have is plenty fun for now.. But I have not yet had it in the sand.

Did you mention you have an intercooler on there?

Also, I think I saw you post that you no longer have a garage, or easy access to your welder. You are welcome to come over and play in our little shop in Anaheim if you like. My project is currently there, but I will be moving down to Fallbrook sometime in the next month or two. I'm sure my buddy will get a kick out of your turbo project as he has a Samurai with a 16 valve that he uses mostly for a sand toy. I could see him jumping on the turbo band wagon. (Besides, it would save me the trouble of dropping an Eclipse motor into his!!)

-Wayne


p.s. Darrin, do I know you? Were you at Big Bear Bash?

Hey Wayne !!

I have been wanting to meet up with you.
I saw your Zuke the first weekend you had
it back up and running, about 8 weeks ago I
think, you passed me up in Big Bear in town.

I recognized your trademark grill    

I would have turned around but I was trail
boss for the day and had several vehicles
following me.

I have purchased a MegaSquirt kit, and have put it together.
I need to now build the port injection manifold to run it
properly, the stock system on the 89' is Mitsubishi Computer
but a Mikuni Throttle body, I can't get enough fuel out of it.

As far as the sticker, I don't remember where I saw it, I just knew I
had to post it, If it's yours, Thanks Bro  

The stock injector is only 50 PPH, I need about 100 to 120 PPH.
I can only get enough fuel to run 4 PSI boost, and I have a TBI
setup so I don't know how the AFC system will help, nobody
makes bigger injectors that I have found, seems to be the
&|removethispart|@$t|removethispart|@rd son of FI systems.

Yes I got and intercooler on it, not much point of turbo
without as the ping will destroy the motor in a hurry.

I have been playing with the idea of using the stock
injector as a water/alcohol mix water injection system
and useing the MS system for fuel control, I have not
heard of the tuneability problems you speak of, have
I not done my homework?, the MS system is a total
programable system, I thought I could get it to do
what I want it to with some tuning and tweeking.

I would love to come and play at your shop, sounds like fun.

I did not make the Big Bear Bash, would have been fun tho.  

Thanks
Darrin

I realized I reference a blue rubber tube, but have
no pic to show what I'm talking about, so I went in
and added a couple of pics today so you can see the
intercooler from both sides.

The intercooler was a fairly easy thing
to do, tho it would have looked better if I'd have
used a TIG welder instead of the MIG with aluminum
wire, just too hard to weld on .050 aluminum and
not burn through, so I made several passes to get it,
then pressure tested it, more passes to seal it, so
it looks kind of ugly, but so does the truck so it all
matches  

http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/zookmods

The intercooler is from a Volvo turbo, several others
would work too, but the volvo flows best for stock
and there are lots of them for the picking, next
would be a Saab Turbo but they are hard to find and
a pain to pull, plus it's flow is more restrictive, I think the
Volvo intercooler could be cut shorter (top to bottom)
for a 1.6-1.8 motor and get a little better fit in front of
the radiator.

If you don't have a body lift, the placement I used would not work
as the tubes periscope over the radiator, also I used 3" inlet
and outlet which could be reduced to 1 3/4 to 2" size for ease
of plumbing.

I would also fabricate the tanks with 90 degree bends instead of
round as it would be much easier to weld to and cut holes for the
plumbing fittings. Live and learn, I'd do it different and better
next time, but it works.

Darrin

Ahh. I thought I saw your truck somewhere. Sounds like that trip you saw me on was probably my Club's Trail Clean up before the Bash. We will have to meet up one of these days.

I for some reason forgot that you had an 8 valve motor. Your megasquirt might be the best value for your engine. I also have a Tracker with an 8 valve, and now you have me thinking about slapping a turbo onto it. (You bastard!)  

If I do this project I'll be keeping the A/S system as it is just a daily driver. (Don't ask me how I layed my daily driver on its side though..)    So I'll either end up with an intercooler down low, or maybe a side mount like the DSM.

As I recall, doesn't the Pontiac Sunbird and similar cars use the same fuel injection system as our 8 valvers? That throttle body might transplant well...? I'll check with a friend that was reverse engineering the Sunbird eprom.

-Wayne

I just sent an email to my friend, then I had a thought about a possible source for a larger injector.

I think that is still a mitsubishi based TBI setup. The Mitsubishi Starion/Chrysler Conquest has a similar TBI set up that might have an injector that would work. (As would other Mitsubishi vehicles like maybe an old Montero.)

If that is a GM TBI (which I think I recall being the case) then you would be able to get larger injectors as GM used those on a number of engines from 1.6 up to the 5.7.

Just some guesses mind you..

-Wayne

Very interesting, I never thought of a Mitsu as being a posible
replacement parts vehicle, I did wonder if I could double fire
that single injector to get more flow, but the total flow is the
problem, I might have to come down and show my turbo off.

The MegaSquirt EFI computer uses a two chanel batch fire
system, and operates by grounding the injectors for the
programed MS bandwidth, too bad it isn't a MAF type system,
I prefer that type over the MAP, but the kit came with a turbo
ready MAP sensor, so I'm going to see how she works.

Thanks, any info would be helpful that you can find.
Darrin