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R there 26 spline shafts of different lengths?

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kerrywittig

R there 26 spline shafts of different lengths?
« on: March 10, 2005, 02:34:49 PM »
Does anybody know if there are "different" lengths of the 26 spline inner shafts for the trac/kick?

When I say different in length, I mean 1/4"/.250 give or take a thousandth, longer or shorter?

I have 11 of them and they are all the same length!

In fact the 22 spline is also the same length as the 26.

Any info would be greatly appreciated....Thanks
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Re: R there 26 pline shafts of different lengths?
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2005, 02:41:36 PM »
Left front inner 26 spline axle shaft comes in two lengths, standard and 8mm longer. I'm having a long one trimmed at the moment to work with my ARB.
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kerrywittig

Re: R there 26 pline shafts of different lengths?
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2005, 04:02:00 PM »
I'll be damned................Then that is why my longside will not seat by approx. 1/4" in an Anvil...........8mm = 1/4".
   
Well then I have to (no I am obligated) to apologize to Steve Kramer at Calmini for questioning the dimensions!

Unbelievable that there are 2 different lengths...Had NO idea and not even Steve K. mentioned it. Well if this is true............I'm WRONG..........Live and learn.

Mr. Kramer............I sincerely apologize for assuming that all longside axle shafts were created equal. I was wrong and I bear the responisibility for MY assumptions.........assume........I made an ass out of me and was a pain in yours concerning the longside tube length on the Anvil.

Now if we can get you to look (calmly) at the other issue that we discussed all will be well in Kerry's world.

And not to be forgotten is cj  for responding with this info for me and maybe some others out there using the Calmini Anvil in their vehicles........Thanks!
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Re: R there 26 pline shafts of different lengths?
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2005, 04:19:58 PM »
As I understand it the SPORT came with the longer shaft.  I pulled all the 26-spline stuff from a sport the other day and found this info out after a call to Hawk Suzuki.
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Re: R there 26 pline shafts of different lengths?
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2005, 04:25:21 PM »
And the GV with the air actuated diff. That's where one of my 26 spline shafts came from when I bought a GV cast iron housing. My other is also the same length but there is some doubt as to it's origination as I was told it was a standard Kick 26 spline shaft but they were both the same amount longer than the 22 spline shafts I have.
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Re: R there 26 pline shafts of different lengths?
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2005, 05:40:12 PM »
On the ARB front,    I had to take the bore of my ARB locker out very slightly to fit the shaft, I went to a good breaker yard and tried everyone , this being the drivers axle side
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kerrywittig

Re: R there 26 pline shafts of different lengths?
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2005, 12:51:48 AM »
I am going to call the Suzuki god/keeper of all Zuk knowledge Rick |removethispart|@ Hawk this morning and find out positively. I will share the info I have when it arrives.
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Re: R there 26 pline shafts of different lengths?
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2005, 09:40:44 AM »
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this being the drivers axle side


US drivers side or UK drivers side? If we're still talking about the shaft thats inside the axle casing then that would explain why I didn't have a problem as I used the whole GV axle and diff with 5:83s fitted.
« Last Edit: March 11, 2005, 09:41:43 AM by Rhinoman »
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kerrywittig

Re: R there 26 pline shafts of different lengths?
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2005, 10:31:51 AM »
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I am going to call the Suzuki god/keeper of all Zuk knowledge Rick |removethispart|@ Hawk this morning and find out positively. I will share the info I have when it arrives.


Well Rick and John at Hawk said 96-98 trac/kicks have a shorter inner long side axle shaft. It is approx. 1/4" or 8mm shorter. Wish I had this info earlier. No paperwork came with the Anvil we got and after talking to a couple other owners of Anvils, they got paperwork but there was no mention that there were specific year(s) axle shafts that would be the correct one. Probably just an oversight by Calmini (It's hard to keep up with every little detail and nuance you have to include with a product, I know that I constantly learn new info from users of the RingR that I need to then include/update into the enclosed paperwork/instructions that accompany that product, thank goodness for the consumer that keeps you on your toes)but I'm sure this will be addressed by Calmini in the future.

Worst thing is that Hawk does not have one single "short" inner axle on their property........a rare piece to find, come to find out, other than through a dealer for mucho $$$. Don't understand why, the 96-97's are plentiful enough in the salvage yards. But hey, I have eleven 26 spline shafts and every single one is the "long" version..........go figure!
So machine away I guess.

By the way the "long" inner axle measures 15 3/8", from the inside of the triangular flange to the end of the splines. This at least in my case is 1/4" too long and therefore does not contact the oil/dust seal, lending the housing to be open for dust/water/etc. contamination and or leaking of gear oil.

Anyway that's all I know at this time and unfortunately won't be able to get the Anvil fitted until probably the fall now that the touring season is back, and I'll be gone for the remainder of the year............

Hope this is helpful info to those of you who have an Anvil or are about to install one or order one. It's a great product and built literally like an Anvil.......Calmini gives the Zuk IFS community another great product..........See Ya!!
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mudfkr

Re: R there 26 spline shafts of different lengths?
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2005, 02:29:27 PM »
Kerry,

When I had the Anvil on order and was talking to Steve K about it and other things I asked about which axle was the correct one to use 22 or 26 spline seeing that no where in the catalog or web site does it state 22 or 26 spline and I also needed to know as I  wanted to order my ARB to match the correct axle. Once he'd told me it was a 26 spline I said "no problem I have G/V 26 spline axle in the shed".

Thats when he then told me that theres two different 26 spline axles available and the G/V (or any other air actuated front diff) is the longer one and won't work. Not being sure if the shorter one was available from a donor wreck down here in NZ Steve K then offered to find one for me in the US and shipping it out with the Anvil for around US$70 extra to cover the axle.

As it ends up I found a complete steel front diff with the correct axle in it so that solved my problem. Before finding the second hand one I priced up a new axle from Suzuki NZ |removethispart|@ $234.00 which is only like US$172, a reasonable price IMHO. I'm with you though and think Calmini should advertise the Anvil as a 26 spline unit to avoid confusion  ;).
 
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Re: R there 26 spline shafts of different lengths?
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2005, 05:51:14 PM »
Maybe this explains why my mechanic told me that I can't use  the Anvil or the diff drop brackets of the 3'' lift kit without their A-arms, I think he's using GV shafts ::)
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kerrywittig

Re: R there 26 spline shafts of different lengths?
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2005, 11:15:38 PM »
It has always been obvious to me that the Anvil required a 26 spline axle shaft. In fact it would be ridiculous to install this heavy duty housing and then use a 22 spline carrier in my opinion.

I just wish that the issue of inner axle length had been addressed when I got the Anvil and in subsequent "conversations" I have had with Calmini over the last week. I asked about this 1/4" gap and was told that it needed to be returned to be evaluated to make sure I was using the correct axle, but no mention was ever given that there were indeed 2 different axle lengths.  

Like I said, No paperwork was included with the one I got, that may be an oversight on Calmini's behalf or to be completely fair may have been misplaced accidently by the distributor that sold it to me. Even though it appeared that the Anvil was in it's original packaging and had just been forwarded to me.  But I have heard from a few other Anvil owners that the axle length was not addressed in the paperwork they got. Anyway it's now been aired here on the internet and I am sure Calmini monitors these type of threads and will update their info in the future.

I'm gonna take a long walk now and get back in touch with reality.................................................See Ya.
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Re: R there 26 spline shafts of different lengths?
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2005, 12:55:08 AM »
OK Now I'm confused :-/ So the Sidekick/Tracker 26 spline front housings (96-98 year model)have different length axles? WHY would Suzuki put different length shafts in the same Trucks?

Did the 1/4" longer shafts came form the Sport of the Grand Vitara models? I would not be as confused if this was the fact, because many of the parts do not interchange between a Kick/Tracker and a Sport/GV?

I would think you could have the longer shaft chopped down to the right length if you cant find another. I have checked with local Yards in the past and they will only sell the complete axles (housings and all). If it was not for that I could have you one in the mail today (there are 4 close).
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kerrywittig

Re: R there 26 spline shafts of different lengths?
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2005, 02:20:22 AM »
Machining it, them ( I have 11), is not a big deal. Just wish this had been pointed out to me before questioning Calmini and being cursed and ridiculed by Steve.........You would think someone at Calmini would have "shared" this info..................rather than belittle and swear at the customer. Probably havin' a bad day!
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mudfkr

Re: R there 26 spline shafts of different lengths?
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2005, 06:50:44 AM »
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OK Now I'm confused :-/ So the Sidekick/Tracker 26 spline front housings (96-98 year model)have different length axles? WHY would Suzuki put different length shafts in the same Trucks?


The reason is that trucklets fitted with lockouts and using the air actuated diff  to engage the front instead of free wheeling hubs have an off set inside the carrier to allow the gears to be engaged. That offset is 9mm  longer then the axle out of a trucklet fitted with FWH's.

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