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Short Ram Intake XL-7/GV
« on: August 07, 2004, 07:48:44 AM »
I posted this in the GV forum but would your input also.





Do you see any market for a short ram intake for the GV/XL-7?  I'm currently working on a prototype setup.  No, this isn't just a tube laying on the inner fenderwell with a Pep Boys filter on the end of it.  



This will be a top notch system when I get it done with it, mandrel bent tubing and bracketry to match.  Haven't spec'd a filter yet.



Any interest?



Philip
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Re: Short Ram Intake XL-7/GV
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2004, 06:00:15 AM »
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I posted this in the GV forum but would your input also.





Do you see any market for a short ram intake for the GV/XL-7?  I'm currently working on a prototype setup.  No, this isn't just a tube laying on the inner fenderwell with a Pep Boys filter on the end of it.  



This will be a top notch system when I get it done with it, mandrel bent tubing and bracketry to match.  Haven't spec'd a filter yet.



Any interest?



Philip
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Hi Philip,

I know this isn't what you asked but I'd be more intersted in a set of headers that would replace/eliminate the cats...

Just whishin'...

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Re: Short Ram Intake XL-7/GV
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2004, 07:05:49 AM »
Hummmm Headers  ;D  How about some headers for the 2.7L.  







The ram air thing would be cool but not for crossing water or playing in the mud :-/



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Re: Short Ram Intake XL-7/GV
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2004, 11:07:05 AM »
Let me clarify the intake,  short ram means the air filter is located in the engine compartment.  I hope that water or mud would not get to it otherwise,  you'd better be wearing scuba gear.

As for headers both the GV and XL-7 have factory headers.  I don't see much gain from designing from scratch.  Your money is best spent elsewhere.

The guys on the Aerio board want me to design a header also,  useless for the 1 hp you gain.

Thanks,

Philip

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Re: Short Ram Intake XL-7/GV
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2004, 12:15:48 PM »
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Let me clarify the intake,  short ram means the air filter is located in the engine compartment.  I hope that water or mud would not get to it otherwise,  you'd better be wearing scuba gear.


You should of seen my engine bay after the last time at paragon.   ::)  Anyways are you looking to just a tube and cone filter or a little more?  And what kind of $$$ are we talking about here?
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Re: Short Ram Intake XL-7/GV
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2004, 01:32:27 AM »
Yes, basically it will be a tube and filter with supporting bracket.  I'm having the tube mandrel bent to fit perfectly.  As for pricing I haven't come up with a figure yet.  Depends on which filter I choose.



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Philip

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Re: Short Ram Intake XL-7/GV
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2004, 02:36:23 AM »
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As for headers both the GV and XL-7 have factory headers.  I don't see much gain from designing from scratch.  Your money is best spent elsewhere.

Philip


Philip,

I would have to respectfully disagree. The manifold on the 2.7 V6 is chuck full of tight 90 degree bends and pre-cats that restrict flow. The crossover pipe is also a concern too. Underneath it's heat shield the pipe is mearly 1" to maybe 1 1/2" large at the final collector.

Granted if both the gosintas and gosoutas are address the benefits are maximized but, for me, the exhaust would be a higher priority. I'm already running a conical type gauze filter on the intake side. Adding the filter was easy in comparison to building and installing an exhaust. That is where I would need vendor help.

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Re: Short Ram Intake XL-7/GV
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2004, 03:47:23 AM »
Phil were you thinking of something like this





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Re: Short Ram Intake XL-7/GV
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2004, 04:37:41 AM »
Yes something similar to the above picture.  I thought about doing the same but I wanted something a little more sanitary looking with supporting bracketry.

What year of XL-7 is this picture from?  My 2002 GV doesn't have a MAF sensor in the intake trac.  This could lead to two different designs.

I hope to have my prototype setup done in a week.  I'll post pics if I'm satisfied with it.

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Re: Short Ram Intake XL-7/GV
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2004, 04:42:09 AM »
All Xl-7's have the MAF sensor in the intake trac.  The GV's did not have them

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Re: Short Ram Intake XL-7/GV
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2004, 07:12:32 AM »
You wouldn't be interested in making a 1" Throttle body spacer for the XL-7??? Or do you feel that too wouldn't help much with power.
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Re: Short Ram Intake XL-7/GV
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2004, 09:07:04 AM »
Haven't thought about a throttle spacer.  I did make them for the Samurai for awhile.   I'm not sure how much the throttle spacers really work.  Unforutunately dyno time is extremely expensive to validate the effectiveness of the spacer.  

I wonder if the XL-7 tb has the same bolt pattern as my 2002 GV?

Philip

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Re: Short Ram Intake XL-7/GV
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2004, 09:52:09 AM »
It looks the same as the GV when Idid have but then again I never  got  to into it as it  was a lease.
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Re: Short Ram Intake XL-7/GV
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2004, 01:13:15 PM »
A nice fit with brackets intake would be nice for the XL7.. id buy one.. Id guess with properly designed headers & intake you could get 12-15 hp tops.. Not a good return for your $$ for sure..

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Re: Short Ram Intake XL-7/GV
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2004, 01:33:14 PM »




As promised here is my protype CAI system for the GV, maybe XL-7.  Tube is not  production version, just had a local muffler shop bend a 3" piece for me.  Production version will be mandrel bent aluminum tube.  Airfilter is off my Swift GT I'm still waiting for the correct filter to arrive.  Silicone connector and clamps will be probably change also.



Not to sure about the color of the bracket and tube, will be decided later.





Philip