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Re: 4wd Conversion
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2005, 10:18:48 PM »
Thanks for your help b1pig, I didn't know I couldn't keep my old transmission. Are you sure I need to get a whole new one, I have a dummy transfer case on my transmission and couldnt I just swap that for the real one?

And cost is a factor for me, a major factor... all the used track/kicks I've found near me are in the 2k-3k range, where at the most a 4x4 conversion is going to cost me $1200. I'm only 17 and I bought this tracker for $2k, a few years ago with 50k miles on it. All the money going towars this project is from my part time job on the weekends, so money is pretty tight. My tracker is in great condition, and I've become pretty attached to it, and its only got 83k miles on it.
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Re: 4wd Conversion
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2005, 10:30:25 PM »
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/89-95-GEO-TRACKER-AUTOMATC-4X4-TRANSMISSION_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33727QQitemZ7992443646QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Here is a 4wd tranny/tcase on ebay.

Compare it to what is under your ride. If you want further, tell me quick. I have the tranny/tcase/engine out of my Tracker right now, and will be installing it in the morning. I can snap pics and post them by tomorrow.

The thing is, that when you get TOO invovled in converting parts, then it can get super complicated. On TH350's, you can get by swapping the rear housing and the output shaft, but it requires COMPLETE disassembly of the tranny.  :o

By far, the simplest... yet costly option is to put in another. I am new ot the Track/Kick scene, but if my memory serves me right, the Sami has a divorced transfercase. If I'm wrong, someone correct me fast. ;)

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Re: 4wd Conversion
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2005, 10:35:05 PM »
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Suzuki-Samurai-1991-Manual-5-Speed-Transmission_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33733QQitemZ7993704821QQrdZ1

here is one for a sami. note that there is no indication for 2wd or 4wd? there are a couple on there, and none of the sales mention it... or i'm just flat blind. :D
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUZUKI-SAMURAI-TRANSFERCASE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6763QQitemZ7993956133QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Here is one for a Sami T-case. DEFINITELY a divorced 'case. You could swap that in... but you will have to fab up your own mounts that can handle the torque. MUCH easier just to get a 4wd tranny/t-case. BTW.. most are going to come together. Alot of yards just leave them together. the bigger yards will separate them.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2005, 10:45:24 PM by b1pig »
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Re: 4wd Conversion
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2005, 10:56:04 PM »
My transmission looks different from the one you posted above for the sidekick, but then I have a 5 speed and it is an automatic. I'd love pictures of your while it is out, and even while it is in from underneath... I'm positive I have something where the T-case goes, and I know it can be seperated from the transmission and I'm pretty sure you can just bolt a transfer case right on there. I've only seen my transmission from underneath, so I'm not positive if that one matches mine or not.

I'm new to this and messing with 4x4 in general, so I'm probably wrong. My dad is going to be helping me with most of the installation, and he knows what he is doing.
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31" BFGs, SPOA, 5.14 Calmini Tcase gears, DOM cage, rock sliders, spidertrax wheels

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Re: 4wd Conversion
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2005, 10:59:50 PM »
Mine is an auto also.... but the theory is the same.

I'll take a pic of it. it is sitting on the bench in the shop.
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Re: 4wd Conversion
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2005, 11:03:04 PM »
I had some pics of underneath mine, to show you what I mean about the dummy t-case... I'll take some more tomorrow. It isn't that big of an issue, because if I am committed to this I can just rip the transmission out of the parts tracker too.

Thanks again.
1988 Suzuki Samurai

31" BFGs, SPOA, 5.14 Calmini Tcase gears, DOM cage, rock sliders, spidertrax wheels

1.6L, header, and 2" flowmaster exhaust coming soon

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Re: 4wd Conversion
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2005, 11:39:32 PM »
tranny/'case

the 'case half


the tranny half
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Re: 4wd Conversion
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2005, 11:49:42 PM »
BTW if this is a 3 speed auto,
it's a TH180. I would like to find
out if there are any other Trans
that would work tho

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Re: 4wd Conversion
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2005, 11:57:42 PM »
yea, this is a TH180 from my '90.
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Re: 4wd Conversion
« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2005, 08:20:01 AM »
Selling my tracker isn't really feasible, its my only mode of transportation and it is very reliable, and I don't want to get a sketchy new tracker that might or might not have a lot more things wrong with it. I'll see how much I get all the 4x4 parts off the other tracker for, and do a conversion, or I will just go with a locker and body lift... which I will eventually do to the 4x4 anyway.

I'm going to go look at it tomorrow and maybe come home with some parts, is there anything I need besides

Front Driveshaft
Front Axle
Transfer Case

I've asked it a few times, but I would really appreciate an answer.

Edit: Actually if any of you don't mind taking  a few pictures of underneath your track/kicks, maybe showing the transfer case's position as well as the front axle and so on I would greatly appreciate it.

If you can get the parts, the biggest hurdle you'll have is the tranny/t-case install. Your vehicle will be down till you get those things installed. Installing the front axle, shafts, etc won't put your truck down for a period of time. By installing the pieces in steps, you can get most of it done. Then on a weekend when you can have the vehicle down, you could work getting the tranny/t-case together and in.

Being 17, I can understand the situation. However, being 40+ now, I suggest this to you: consider the 4x4 as a trail running rig. No top, no problem, just drive it clothed for the weather. You could always look at getting a soft top used off someone. I'd get the 4x4 (make payments to the yard or Dad/Mom), modify that for your tastes and expense, keep the 2wd as a daily, and when it comes to making a decision on keeping which, look at your next couple of years - meaning jobs prospects, girlfriends, what you want to do (college, trade school, service, etc.), living at home or on your own, all that. Insurance is a big player in your ride also, so consider that too. Good luck.
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Re: 4wd Conversion
« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2005, 12:31:13 PM »

If you can get the parts, the biggest hurdle you'll have is the tranny/t-case install. Your vehicle will be down till you get those things installed. Installing the front axle, shafts, etc won't put your truck down for a period of time. By installing the pieces in steps, you can get most of it done. Then on a weekend when you can have the vehicle down, you could work getting the tranny/t-case together and in.

Being 17, I can understand the situation. However, being 40+ now, I suggest this to you: consider the 4x4 as a trail running rig. No top, no problem, just drive it clothed for the weather. You could always look at getting a soft top used off someone. I'd get the 4x4 (make payments to the yard or Dad/Mom), modify that for your tastes and expense, keep the 2wd as a daily, and when it comes to making a decision on keeping which, look at your next couple of years - meaning jobs prospects, girlfriends, what you want to do (college, trade school, service, etc.), living at home or on your own, all that. Insurance is a big player in your ride also, so consider that too. Good luck.

Well the tracker that the yard has turned out to be only 2wd and in terrible shape, so that is out of the picture. Now I'm pretty much set on just going with a locker and a lift, I just go mudding and in the sand anyway no rock crawling or anything, and I rarely get stuck as it is with an open differential 2wd on 195/75/15s. And if I do, it adds to the fun, and I've only been in a situation where my friends couldn't just push my 2100 pound tracker out once or twice. I have to hit mud holes and sand a lot faster than my friends with 4x4 do, but that makes it more fun anyway. When we go wheeling people fight over being able to ride in my tracker, because its way more fun than crawling through a mud hole at 5mph.

Converting to 4x4 would spend a lot of my money and take a lot of time, between locating the parts and installing them. My list of upgrades is already going to set me back more than I have, between ($200)exhaust, ($150) lift, ($400) tires, ($220) locker, ($60) air filter and ($?) new front bumper, ($100) hi-lift, not to mention $500 in insurance I have to pay by the end of september, and of course the $3 a gallon gas prices. Adding $500-$1000 to that to change my car to 4x4 isn't really practical right now. I'll keep my eye out for a 4x4 trackick with a blown motor though, because if I really want to get serious about this I'll have to get 4x4.
1988 Suzuki Samurai

31" BFGs, SPOA, 5.14 Calmini Tcase gears, DOM cage, rock sliders, spidertrax wheels

1.6L, header, and 2" flowmaster exhaust coming soon

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Re: 4wd Conversion
« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2005, 01:45:03 PM »
Converting to 4x4 would spend a lot of my money and take a lot of time, between locating the parts and installing them. My list of upgrades is already going to set me back more than I have, between ($200)exhaust, ($150) lift, ($400) tires, ($220) locker, ($60) air filter and ($?) new front bumper, ($100) hi-lift, not to mention $500 in insurance I have to pay by the end of september, and of course the $3 a gallon gas prices. Adding $500-$1000 to that to change my car to 4x4 isn't really practical right now. I'll keep my eye out for a 4x4 trackick with a blown motor though, because if I really want to get serious about this I'll have to get 4x4.
good plan ... look at this way too ... if you do find a 4x4 you wanna build on, all the stuff you did to the 4x2 can be used (lift, exhaust, etc).
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Re: 4wd Conversion
« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2005, 02:48:01 PM »
Yeah, I had that in mind. I will still have fun with my 2wd. I already take it further than a few of my buddies with 4x4, because they have fullsizes and can't fit down the small trails I go down. I live in florida, so there are zero rocks and zero hills, which is where 4x4 really comes in handy so I do pretty good already.
1988 Suzuki Samurai

31" BFGs, SPOA, 5.14 Calmini Tcase gears, DOM cage, rock sliders, spidertrax wheels

1.6L, header, and 2" flowmaster exhaust coming soon

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Re: 4wd Conversion
« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2005, 07:45:25 PM »
Sounds like a plan indeed. Though, I'd be hesistant about hitting anything hard with a vehicle, especially offroad. You never know when Dr. Murphy pops his little head out.
If I was you, and this comes from learning experience which you'll have to learn yourself, keep it on the hard stuff to those with capabilities and don't push yours too much.

My Dad gave me his 71 v8 Dart when I turned 16. I put money into a cam, headers, exhaust, ignition, rebuilt trans, and carb. Then I smoked his bias snow tires within 1 month. These tires lasted him some 4 years and he wondered why.....So I had to get tires. Then pay for insurance, then pay for other things which kept me dry in the money aspect. Don't get me wrong, it was my way of learning, for sure. I still do the same thing today, and yah I hear it from him still about the learning curve....just that mine's sort of flat.....lol
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Re: 4wd Conversion
« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2005, 09:58:45 PM »
Yeah, I don't hit things toooo hard, just about double the speed 4x4s hit stuff at. I've never broken anything yet, and I've been wheeling about once a week in sand and mud and water for over a year now. I know somethings eventually going to break, but I'm not too concerned. It is all good fun, even getting stuck.
1988 Suzuki Samurai

31" BFGs, SPOA, 5.14 Calmini Tcase gears, DOM cage, rock sliders, spidertrax wheels

1.6L, header, and 2" flowmaster exhaust coming soon