hey guys, im new to the forum, my names Andy, im 17 and live in the channel islands, i own 2 sj's, a green 1988 soft top, and a red 1992 sport, the red jeep is my donar vehichle as it suffers from major rust on the body work(the chassis is fine though) and the green jeep is my beast, although its old, there is next to no rust on the jeep.

i have swapped over a fair few parts from the red jeep, and i was wondering if you could give me infromation about swapping the axles.......... the red jeep appears to have wider axles, and has a working transfer box. my green jeep's transfer box is broken.....

is it possible to swap the transfer box and the axles? is it a major job?

any oppinions/advice will be greatly appreciated

Are we talking 410s 423s or Samurais?

Hey, thanks for the reply

the green jeep is a 1988 Sj414qjx, and the red jeep (the donor vehichle) is a 1.3ltr samurai.

Andy

the red jeep is 1992 model if that makes any difference?!?!

You could check the driveshaft yokes and lengths to see if they match between the two vehicles, as well as the mounting points for the transfer cases. If the mounting points and yokes match up, swapping the transfer case should be pretty straight forward.

Same with the axles, if the spring perch locations, shock mounts and driveshaft flanges line up between the two, they should be a bolt on swap...

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Hey, thanks for the reply

the green jeep is a 1988 Sj414qjx, and the red jeep (the donor vehichle) is a 1.3ltr samurai.

Andy

SJ 414?  what is that? Diesel?

Generally speaking, the SJ-413 (US/Canadian version called a Samurai) are pretty universal in terms of parts swapping with the following differences:

The driveshaft flanges changed somewhere in the 1988 production year, so check the flange sizes if you want to switch driveshafts/Transfer cases.

The engine displacement changed shortly  thereafter from 1324cc to 1298cc but the blocks are otherwise  interchangeable.

Transmission gearing also change about the same time but the physical mounting is the same as is the case for the transfer case.

Unfortunately, the North American Samurai stayed pretty much the same during it's sales life so coilys, diesels, automatics, etc. are unknown to most folks on this side of the pond.  Most of wish we could buy some of the SJ-413s found elsewhere in the world -- but we can't afford all the costs involved in getting one!

I would really like to know more about your trucks!  Especially if they have engines other than the typical 1.3 G13A/B block (look at the edge of the block at the flywheel end on the left side for the displacement markings).

Hope this helps!

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Quote from: andyt87 on August 24, 2005, 07:22:33 AM

Hey, thanks for the reply

the green jeep is a 1988 Sj414qjx, and the red jeep (the donor vehichle) is a 1.3ltr samurai.

Andy

SJ 414?  what is that? Diesel?

Generally speaking, the SJ-413 (US/Canadian version called a Samurai) are pretty universal in terms of parts swapping with the following differences:

The driveshaft flanges changed somewhere in the 1988 production year, so check the flange sizes if you want to switch driveshafts/Transfer cases.

The engine displacement changed shortly  thereafter from 1324cc to 1298cc but the blocks are otherwise  interchangeable.

Transmission gearing also change about the same time but the physical mounting is the same as is the case for the transfer case.

Unfortunately, the North American Samurai stayed pretty much the same during it's sales life so coilys, diesels, automatics, etc. are unknown to most folks on this side of the pond.  Most of wish we could buy some of the SJ-413s found elsewhere in the world -- but we can't afford all the costs involved in getting one!

I would really like to know more about your trucks!  Especially if they have engines other than the typical 1.3 G13A/B block (look at the edge of the block at the flywheel end on the left side for the displacement markings).

Hope this helps!

In Europe we tend to refer to the early 413s simply as a 413 and the later 413s as the Samurai (which they were badged). The early 413s have the same track as the 410 so the axles and shafts are not directly interchangeable. 413 and Samurai diffs are interchangeable as a pair only as ratios are slightly different. Not relevant in this case but 413 and 410 shafts can be interchanged but diffs can't. LJ80 and 410 diffs are interchangeable but the LJ has much lower ratios. 414 I suspect is a typo (413?). 1328 and 1298 engines were sold concurrently, it depended on wheteher it was Spanish built or Japanese (can't remember which way round. As far as interchangeability of other parts is concerned where it was built it can make a big difference. The experts in these matters tend to lurk on Difflock on the Suzuki forum.
http://www.difflock.com

well, first things first, sorry about calling them J**Ps, wont happen again 

im affraid the sj414 was just a typo, its just a regular 413    soz

i'll have a measure of the driveshafts and check the other bits in the morning to see whether or not the lengths are the same.  if they are is it pottentially a "bolt on job"?

im guessing most of you guys are from accross the pond then?? if any of you want pictures of sj's we have then i would haply take some and send them to y'all.  a large proportion of the beasts are used by fisherman to tow dinghies up and down the beaches so are complete rust buckets  :'( but a lucky few of us have found some with next to no rust which i feel makes them the perfect project.

if anyone else is from the channel islands, please let me know, as it would be great to meet up with fellow zuki boys.  We are in the minority over here, and the off road scene is dominated by landrovers who wont let us join in with there meetings (jelousy is a terrible thing!!! )

anyways, ill update you tomorrow once ive checked all the stuff

cheers guys!

Andy

LandRovers!  Bah!  Bunch of homos if you ask me. :P  At least that's who drives them here in the States.  You don't wanna be seen with those guys anyhow Andy.  I'd wheel with you, if I knew where the Channel Islands were. 8)  As far as the interchangeability issue at hand; try going to www.car-parts.com and doing a look up for those parts.  If they are interchangeable, the search results will tell you.  That's the best I can tell you, I don't have any 410's to monkey with so I don't know first hand.

yeah landrovers are owned by homo's, and farmers...... but im sure that conversation has been had on this forum many a time and we all know which vehichle is the best!!!

anyways, ive checked and measured the axles, and to me, it looks like they will fit, the bolts appear to be in the same places to my eyes. however, i was slightly worried by this..... when playing with the rear driveshaft thingy (the bit that goes into the diff at the back, not sure of the name  ) the whole back axle moves around a fair bit, compared to the green sj which has no play in it at all?!?  could that be a case of loose bolts? or is it something more serious?  ive checked and all the bolts appear to be tight.......

as for the whereabouts of the channel islands, there situated below england,  very close to france, about an hour from St Malo.

well, ive got a mate coming round in a mo to have a second oppinion on the axle wobble.  so i'll update y'all later!

Andy

Are the bushes shot?

This is probably going to sound like a real amatures question, but, what are the bushes??? and where would i find them?

There are rubber bushes in the ends of the leaf springs, they might be worn out. I can't think of any other reason (except loose bolts) that would cause the axle to move about.