Hello Guest

wide tires and tracking in ruts

  • 15 Replies
  • 3422 Views

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

*

Offline BFM

  • 49
  • 0
  • Gender: Male
  • 4x4 oh yeah!
wide tires and tracking in ruts
« on: October 24, 2005, 11:20:50 AM »
Since I installed my 10.5" wide tires I notice the truck wants to follow ruts in the road much more than with the stock tires.  Has anyone else noticed this?  And is there a fix? (other than putting the skinny tires back on).
'93 Geo Tracker, 3" suspension lift, 31" tires, dome light replaced with cadilac LED brake light bar, tinted, towed home once, dropped off of tow truck once, top speed attempted/achieved 135 km/h = shaking baby syndrome

*

Offline crikeymike

  • 713
  • 0
  • Gender: Male
  • Local to Western Washington?? Visit WAZUKS.com
    • http://www.wazuks.com
Re: wide tires and tracking in ruts
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2005, 11:23:03 AM »
my 9.50's do the same thing.  I drive the same roads each day which have "ruts" in them, so i just choose different lanes to drive in to help control it a little better. 

My wife's car with street tires does it worse than mine does.  Hers has 15x7's with 205x60x15's on it.

I don't think there's anything you can do to prevent this.
1993 4-door Sidekick
3" hybrid Calmini/OME lift, 2" B/L, Rear air locker
Shrockworks bar & sliders, Full skid plates
4.24:1 t-case
 WAZUKS member - visit http://www.wazuks.com

*

Offline brobbs

  • 9
  • 0
  • Gender: Male
Re: wide tires and tracking in ruts
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2005, 12:01:14 PM »
It's been my observations that on stock vehicles it is from worn front end parts and rubber bushings. On modified vehicles ( those that have been lifted etc) you have introduced a new moment about which the unaccounted for movement is exaggerate. Simple said the larger tires are just picking up the road problems and forcing them up to your vehicles suspension. Replace you rubber bushings with poly and inspect and replace your front end parts. Don't forget the steering shaft rag joint, infact this is where I like to start and follow it all the way out to those big tires. Read the manual and it gives some good insight as to what is in tolerance and out as well. A bad combination is to "lift" your sammy with long spring shackles and have gushy spring eye bushings. My advice is hear is I came in on bad rubber I'm not about to go out on bad rubber if I can help it and long shackles don't get it done anyway. Hope this helps again just my observation you situ maybe different.
87 Sami, SPOA, 1.6 EFI, 2.7 Klune V, 6.4 :1 tcase, 4:62 ARB Locked Diffs, Fam style Roll Cage, Warn on the porch with faded hood

*

Offline Rhinoman

  • 4502
  • 36
  • Gender: Male
  • Bend it, Break it, Fix it
    • Rhinoman
Re: wide tires and tracking in ruts
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2005, 01:16:45 PM »
You might try altering the tyre pressures, slightly lower than stock sometimes helps.
2000 Vitara 1.6, 3+3 Lift, 33"MTs, 5:83s, LWB brakes, Winch, Snorkel, Safari Rack
1986 SJ413K PickUp, 1.6L conversion.

OBD1 - Full diagnostics on a PC/Laptop: http://www.rhinopower.org

*

Offline Uncivilized

  • 1469
  • 1
  • Gender: Male
    • Car Domain
Re: wide tires and tracking in ruts
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2005, 05:55:00 PM »
Just one of thoes thing you have to put up with when you upgrage stuff.
What tire pressure are you running at?

*

Offline toolman21

  • 229
  • 0
  • Gender: Male
  • 89 Kick with 5" lift and 30's
Re: wide tires and tracking in ruts
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2005, 07:42:00 PM »
Would the calmini steering stabilizer help this at all?
Toolman

*

Offline Uncivilized

  • 1469
  • 1
  • Gender: Male
    • Car Domain
Re: wide tires and tracking in ruts
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2005, 09:54:32 AM »
Would the calmini steering stabilizer help this at all?
It will help stop the steering wheel from being jerked out of your hands, but I'm sure the the zuk is going to track where it wants too, it's still up to you to correct where it goes ;)

*

Offline toolman21

  • 229
  • 0
  • Gender: Male
  • 89 Kick with 5" lift and 30's
Re: wide tires and tracking in ruts
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2005, 12:25:09 PM »
I just thought it might help dampen it a little and basically make it easier to deal with, I didn't think it would get rid of it completely of course.
Toolman

*

Offline wildgoody

  • *
  • 8134
  • 67
  • Gender: Male
  • Turbocharged 150HP 1.6L 8V 93MPH 1/4 mile
Re: wide tires and tracking in ruts
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2005, 05:57:44 PM »
31" tires need like 15-17PSI in the tires,
you go running 35 or 50 like the sidewall
says and it will ride like a rock, wear out
the center of the tires and chase cracks
in the road, BTW I run 12 PSI on the street
in my 33 Swampers

Wild
Real Trucks Are Built, Not Bought,
And Chrome Don't Get Ya Home.  

An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

*

Offline Chief

  • 678
  • 0
  • Gender: Male
  • Whaddya lookin at??
Re: wide tires and tracking in ruts
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2005, 07:28:15 PM »
I run my 31's fairly low also. It wanders, Swamper always wander quite a bit. I noticed a HUGE improvement when I replaced my balljoints. Mine where SHOT.
03 Tacoma, BBP sliders, TRD L/S, Modded intake,  Da Tow Bitch

94 Tracker. Cancer mod :p Otherwise stock

*

Offline BFM

  • 49
  • 0
  • Gender: Male
  • 4x4 oh yeah!
Re: wide tires and tracking in ruts
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2005, 01:07:50 PM »
All good info.  I will drop the pressure ASAP.
'93 Geo Tracker, 3" suspension lift, 31" tires, dome light replaced with cadilac LED brake light bar, tinted, towed home once, dropped off of tow truck once, top speed attempted/achieved 135 km/h = shaking baby syndrome

*

Offline jsimon63

  • 13
  • 0
  • Gender: Male
  • She thinks my Tracker's sexy
Re: wide tires and tracking in ruts
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2006, 06:00:10 PM »
At least I am not alone! I have a 95 Tracker with OME lift and body lift. This things wonders all over the place! I bought it in PA and drove 9 hours back to Indiana. What a ride! The tires were inflated to 40 lbs psi. I dropped them down to 28 and it has improved but not gone yet. I see that some of you have had luck dropping them down into the teens. I will have to try this, and check the rest of the steering out a little closer. I will be watching as I am sure there will be plenty more great advice posted. Thanks Guys! (and gals)
 Ya know, I just had a brain fart! 4 years ago I bought my Diesel Ram 4x4. It had mudders on it. It too wondered all over, after runnning them into the ground I went with a Toyo all terrian tire, what a difference! And that truck weighs enough to squat the tires under full inflation. I maybe on to something here.  2200 lbs of tracker is like a basketball with all that air in there!
« Last Edit: March 27, 2006, 06:45:24 PM by jsimon63 »
95 Tracker, 16V  5 speed, Mechanically stock for now, Bright Yellow, OME springs and struts and body lift, 31/10.50-15 on Ultra 50's, Calmini front winch bumper, double tube rear bumper, Sony Explode stereo sytem, New Best Top rag top
96 Dodge Ram 4x4 Cummins
96 Geo Metro (Big block) 1.3 !

*

Offline Zukipilot

  • 7160
  • 25
  • Gender: Male
  • stretch the limits of reality!!!
Re: wide tires and tracking in ruts
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2006, 03:59:03 AM »
Have all the steering parts checked out. Mine drove fine with 29's but when I went to 33's, it only took about a month and the work parts started giving up. First, be sure to get the beefed up idler arm and install it ( a search for idler arm in this section will give you all the info you need on it) and have a front end shop check the rest of your steeting parts. Once I replaced mine, I can run any speed on the interstate with no tracking (unless sevier rutting in the travel lanes).

Zig
Zukipilot
'92 Liberty Overland Sidekick

*

Offline Uncivilized

  • 1469
  • 1
  • Gender: Male
    • Car Domain
Re: wide tires and tracking in ruts
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2006, 04:30:26 AM »
The tires were inflated to 40 lbs psi. I dropped them down to 28 and it has improved but not gone yet. I see that some of you have had luck dropping them down into the teens.
I have my 30x9.5's at 18psi right now, and I drive it on a highway everyday. It wanders a little, but it's a smother ride than with the 235/75's with 28psi.... and my fuel milage didn't go down that much, barely noticable. When I change to a 31/32 MT I'll probably be able to run them at 15psi. I live right next to a gas station, so I've changed it a fair bit to find what works best for me.

*

Offline wildgoody

  • *
  • 8134
  • 67
  • Gender: Male
  • Turbocharged 150HP 1.6L 8V 93MPH 1/4 mile
Re: wide tires and tracking in ruts
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2006, 09:53:08 AM »
The other thing I noticed was the wider tires
increase the leverage on the springs, and makes
the tires sit like this  /  \   the  camber is all screwey
and the larger tires amplify the effect of the cracks
in the street. Also worn and espesially unevenly
worn tires tend to chase cracks more than even ones
Real Trucks Are Built, Not Bought,
And Chrome Don't Get Ya Home.  

An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.