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Offline BigRedSamuri

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10 bolt conversion
« on: November 30, 2005, 07:54:40 PM »
i have a 89 samurai and i was wondering what will i need to do to be able to run front a rear 10 bolts. any info or diagram is greatly appreciated

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Re: 10 bolt conversion
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2005, 09:30:30 PM »
The cheap way would be to acquire a early one for the front (95 and older) and a newer one for the rear (1995 and newer there abouts) you want a 22 spline for the front and a 26 for the rear depending on how you count them you can see the diffrence real easy. they are aluminum and you have to be careful with them( easy on them)until you can get the cash for a better setup.
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Re: 10 bolt conversion
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2005, 09:40:38 AM »
Let's clarify here are you talking about 10 bolt axles from a fullsize chev?

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Re: 10 bolt conversion
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2005, 06:10:23 PM »
yes 10 bolt axles i have a few layin around and i was wondering if there was a setup to run them on my sami

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Re: 10 bolt conversion
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2005, 07:53:31 AM »
I've often wondered this myself.  Anyone that knows some full size chevy wheelers knows SOMEONE who's got a pair or two on blocks in thier back yard that could be bought for a case of beer or less.  They would be WIDE but probably not too hard to swap in.  hardest part would be custom mating the chevy and sammy d-shafts and aligning the spring perches.  Also, you may need to move the front spring mounts (on the frame) out to match the axle as matching the perces on the axle to the sammy's width would probably put a perch right on the diff. Stock gearing options aren't that great either so you'll likely need to swap in some taller gears. 

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Re: 10 bolt conversion
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2005, 03:24:36 PM »
don't bother with 10 bolt stuff ... if you're going FS width get a d60/14b combo. Better yet just go with a FS truck/frame and "truggy" it.

Personally, anything over 62" wms is a waste of time to swap under a trac/kick. Then again different strokes. (note the d60 front used by shreg was cut down and is DAMN kewl in my book).
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Re: 10 bolt conversion
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2005, 04:18:00 PM »
k well if not 10 bolt what do u suppose i run them i have 10 1/2 in of lift  on my 89 sammi

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Re: 10 bolt conversion
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2005, 05:12:18 PM »
Rockwells.  ;D
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Re: 10 bolt conversion
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2005, 05:38:26 PM »
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Re: 10 bolt conversion
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2005, 06:44:36 PM »
so your saying run a d60 front with a 14b in the rear. how much will they need to be narrowed and what will i have to change to make them fit. also the reason i am thinking about the 10bolt is beacuse i already have them and if i do do the d60/14bolt combo i would need to find them very cheap and wouldnt matter the conditions beacuse i can rebuild them for even cheaper.

you got any pics of this setup or a link to a pic or something i would like to see this setup already underneath a sammi
« Last Edit: December 02, 2005, 06:56:09 PM by BigRedSamuri »

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Re: 10 bolt conversion
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2005, 06:56:15 AM »
A D60 front is not going to be cheap ... add in the cost of narrowing it and well your talking big $$$ ... Thing is you would NEVER break it ...

Page 5 of the members rigs has a pic of a d60/d60 combo shreg did on a sidekick. Quite impressive.

I was sorta being tongue in cheek saying do a d60 front. Seriously tho the 10 bolt axles probably aren't a good choice (gears & locker choices are limited, not really that strong, etc).

Not sure what tire size you're looking to run, but Toyota axles have been done successfully on many a sami (when running up to 37" tires). D44's from late 70's waggoneers are also an option.
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Re: 10 bolt conversion
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2005, 11:40:54 AM »
A GM Corporate 8.5" 10 bolt is a match for the Dana 44 in strength except if you're talking a Ford High Pinion, reverse cut gear Dana 44.  All other 10 bolts are the same strength as D44's overall.  Where one has weeknesses the other has strengths.  They've just gotten a bad wrap from the rednecks running 40's on them with big blocks and wondering why they blew up? ??? :P ::)

That said, unless you're really lucky and find a set of 3.73 or go-buy-a-lottery-ticket-you're-so-lucky lucky 4.11 axles most of what you find will be either 3.08, 3.42, and even the not-that-uncommon 2.xx ratios.  GM really wanted to get good gas mileage back in the 80's.

Unless you're planning on running huge tires and have a V8 swapped in the 10 bolt might just work for you.  I've seen guys break them but it was usually with big tires and under the half ton trucks they were ment to be under.  Under your 2000-2500lb Sami with a little engine they shouldn't be that bad at all.  If possible find a set with 30 spline axles, a decent step up in strength over the 28 spline axles they originally came with.  Either that or get some aftermarket shafts for an even better upgrade in strength.  Throw some 5-760X U-joints in and the only problem you should have is the ring gear.  Oh, and don't use the Grenade-Lock limited slip that GM calls a Locker.  POS that doesn't work well for wheeling and has earned it's nickname.

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Seriously tho the 10 bolt axles probably aren't a good choice (gears & locker choices are limited, not really that strong, etc).
Have you checked on this?  Just about every major locker available has a 28 and 30 spline 8.5" 10 bolt application and gears are available down to past 4.88's.  I think 5.13's are even available for them.

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Re: 10 bolt conversion
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2005, 12:25:12 PM »
it has a 2.8l v6 out of a chevy blazer i swapped in a few months ago and i plan on running anywhere between 35s and 38s but am about 90% sure im going to run 35s. so u think they will be able to hold up to that. this is going to be mainly for mud but on occasion rocks and anything else. i built the truck from stock and know what im doin and i usually wheel till something breaks so i go pedal to the mat most of the time. i need something that can hold up to my driving and the terrain.

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Re: 10 bolt conversion
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2005, 12:37:16 PM »
Oy, watch that engine.  They're famous for their lack of longevity.

Even with the V6 you don't have 140hp so you should be good with 10 bolts and 35's.  I think 38's would be pushing it.

Are you still running the Samurai transfer case or whatever the S10 Blazer had?

Keep in mind that low hp + high axle gearing + big tires = trouble and breakage.  When I said you could use them I should have said you can make them survive if you do the right things.  Sounds like you have a plan but I'd definately recommend regearing the axles so you have the power to turn the tires.  Even with the Samurai t-case's high range reduction if you're trying to spin 35's or bigger with that little power and 3.08 gears it's going to be a dog and require lots of abuse to get over everything.