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Offline mlovetripp0

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carb vs fuel injection
« on: December 17, 2005, 09:15:24 PM »
on a 16v engine can you pull more power out of carb or fuel injection?or are there carb people and theres efi people?cause iv'e got a big block ford with a carb on it and the same engine with efi on it is weaker tourqe and horse power. or are the motors to little for it to matter?
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Re: carb vs fuel injection
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2005, 10:59:25 PM »
It's all in the fuel delivery and the tune, EFI systems
often have ignition control, and can adjust to the best
performance settings as needed.

A ZO6 Corvette has 405 HP and can get 27MPG highway
and 17 around town, you can't get the best of both worlds
with a carb and standard dizzy.

So choose your poison, both have weaknesses, pick the
one you want to deal with   ;)

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Re: carb vs fuel injection
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2005, 06:06:11 AM »
on a 16v engine can you pull more power out of carb or fuel injection?or are there carb people and theres efi people?cause iv'e got a big block ford with a carb on it and the same engine with efi on it is weaker tourqe and horse power. or are the motors to little for it to matter?

I'm sure theres more to it than simply EFI vs Carb. Its more likely that the difference is in the design of the intake or that the EFI engine is tuned to reduce emissions. EFI allows more potential for tuning, the bigger you go with a carb the lower the depression over the main jet at low loads, that gives poor atomisation and bad low speed running and emissions. With EFI the fuel is injected under pressure so it atomises better and you get better low speed running, or you can tweak the engine a bit further and get the same bottom end response as a carb and more top end power.
EFI also allows the use of longer durations cams with more overlap. With a big overlap the piston is on the compression stroke before the intake valve closes, at low rpm this pushes some of the mixture back out of the intake. With a carb by the time it is sucked back in again it may have travelled across the main jet 3 times so the mixture is very rich. With EFI you just inject however much fuel you actually need.
A lot of people will say that carbs are simpler but the late carbs have all the same functionality as a TBI system but use thermostats and vacuumm valves to operate them instead of an ECU.
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Re: carb vs fuel injection
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2005, 01:52:01 PM »
Since this is an offroading forum, there is this important item to consider:

EFI will work normally no matter what position it is in.  On the other hand, since the float on a carburetor is affected by the angle it operates at (vehicle on a steep incline), a carbed engine can stall out at the most inopportune time on the trail.

There is a program on The Military Channel about the top 5 fighters of World War II.  In it they talk about how the Germans could shoot down a Spitfire with a Fock Wulf if the German pilot could get the Spit pilot to go inverted, thus conking out the carbed Merlin engine.  The FW was fuel injected.  Unfortunately for the Germans, The FW was also a gas guzzler and could not loiter at the target for more than 10 minutes or so before having to return home.
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Re: carb vs fuel injection
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2005, 12:25:09 AM »
Hi mlovetripo0,

If your rig has EFI then stick with it - the advantages outway the disadvantages.
As far as power goes - we put some radical cams and fitted an aftermarket EFI system to a couple of Sammies here in NZ (fitted with the 1600 16V donks) - they sure had some ponies but they had most of their power up top - not ideal for off road use really :-\

The potential is there but just remember that EVERYTHING you do has some sort of compromise.

Wildgoody, Rhinoman and ack have also given good advice - think about what you want to do before taking the leap :o

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Re: carb vs fuel injection
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2005, 07:11:21 PM »
fuel injection just throws me for a loop all the checks and sensors .my 87 sammy has carb fueled engine ,it just seems simpler (to rich ,to lean ,no spark)when my check engine light comes on in the tracker it could be anything .i will admit my tracker has more power than the sammy but when something goes wrong i have to get the codes run and change some $80 to $250 part.just wondering if it is worth the trouble
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Re: carb vs fuel injection
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2005, 10:31:18 PM »
I have never had to replace any of the EFI parts,
I did replace the O2, but it wasn't bad after all  :(

The EFI system has never left me stuck

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