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Re: Head/block installation questions-it runs...but have questions
« Reply #45 on: January 23, 2006, 03:15:47 PM »
Fill it with water again and find out
if it's still blowing water out the exhaust.

If it's not leaking, but water is going down
you might have a bad intake gasket, or the
surface might of had a little piece of leftover
on it so it didn't seal.

Need more info, you found a hose loose, right ?
refill and test again, report your findings
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Re: Head/block installation questions-it runs...but have questions
« Reply #46 on: January 23, 2006, 03:24:04 PM »
Hey there

     You never mentioned which side the water/coolant appeared to be leaking from.
Check it out, if it is the passenger side it could be coming from the O ring sealing the tube
to the waterpump.
     If you were working and leaned on it, bumped it etc it could be out of position and leaking.

     The other option is to do a cooling system pressure test, you can rent the tester, just follow the directions. Alternately using an airhose and a rag you can VERY VERY CAREFULLY pressure the system through the rad cap opening by sealing the rad cap opening with a rag around the air chuck.
    With the system pressurized (LOW PRESSURE, UNDER 15LBS) you will see where it is leaking.

Best of luck...keep us posted.

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Re: Head/block installation questions-it runs...but have questions
« Reply #47 on: January 23, 2006, 03:28:02 PM »
I fixed the hose while I was still running it, pretty fast too.

I doubt it will be tonight, maybe tomorrow I can get it going again.



Would water (h2o) and oil make a chocolate milk shake goop like coolant and oil does?




I beleive the water on the floor came from the overflow bottle, my spills while filling the rad, and the one little hose under the intake manifold I missed for about 5 minutes.


Also, I noticed something yesterday and don't know if it's important or not.  I pulled the overflow hose off of the overflow bottle after filling the radiator all the way up.  With it on it did not appear to be draining any of the coolant into the bottle.  As soon as I pulled the hose off of the bottle it started to trickle out of the end of the hose.  Some kind of pressure issue, but would this be normal/okay?

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Re: Head/block installation questions-it runs...but have questions
« Reply #48 on: January 23, 2006, 03:36:09 PM »
Yes on the water oil mix

A heating up radiator will start to push
the coolant out into the bottle, that's normal
unless I don't quite understand what you wrote
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Re: Head/block installation questions-it runs...but have questions
« Reply #49 on: January 23, 2006, 03:51:45 PM »
Okay, I'll check it again when I run it, see if the oil gets milky because now it looks like practically  new oil...which it is. ???



The engine was cold, radiator cold, with fresh water in it.  I noticed the bit of water over the drain tube in the neck wasn't draining off.  When I pulled the hose off of the overflow bottle it poured right out of the hose.

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Re: Head/block installation questions-it runs...but have questions
« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2006, 05:54:08 PM »
Well, checked the intake manifold bolts again today and one one the bottom was sorta loose but it's good and tight now.  Started it up again and:

Got smoke?  I do.  Same shit.  I could sit there and watch the resevoir tank slowly drain of coolant.  No leaks or anything up at the engine, just the resevoir tank draining a bit and smoke continuously coming out of the tailpipe.  Probably lost a quarter of the bottle in the 15 minutes I was running it.

Got water/oil shmegma looking goo under the oil cap again too.

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Re: Head/block installation questions-it runs...but have questions
« Reply #51 on: January 24, 2006, 06:52:30 PM »
OK, you got a bad intake gasket,
you need to remove and replace.

The vacuum of the engine is sucking
the coolant/water into one of the ports
OR on a TBI system you could be sucking
coolant from the TBI Base gasket, if you
didn't remove the TBI unit, I would go
straight to the intake gasket

Good Luck
Wild
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Re: Head/block installation questions-it runs...but have questions
« Reply #52 on: January 24, 2006, 06:59:56 PM »
Gotta agree with Wild on this one........

TBI gasket or intake gasket are the only sources I can think of for those syptoms

Zag


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Re: Head/block installation questions-it runs...but have questions
« Reply #53 on: January 24, 2006, 07:05:32 PM »
had the same thing happen to me.  gotta bad intake gasket . put on a new one free from napa but my labor was free also. runs great now

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Re: Head/block installation questions-it runs...but have questions
« Reply #54 on: January 24, 2006, 07:22:25 PM »
Anyone have a favorite brand of intake gasket?  I have this new defective one from NAPA, a Victor Reinz.  Just wondering if any other brands are better?

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Re: Head/block installation questions-it runs...but have questions
« Reply #55 on: January 24, 2006, 11:04:08 PM »
Victor is an age old company, I don't think it's the
gasket construction that's the problem, my best
guess is there is some left over gasket still on the
manifold or the head, or the gasket got tweeked
slipping it onto the studs and it just can't seal, also
when it was a little loose the vacuum might of
damaged it and now no amount of tightening will help


Zaggy, you know as well as I do
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Re: Head/block installation questions-it runs...but have questions
« Reply #56 on: January 25, 2006, 04:29:40 AM »
Okay, I'll pick up another at NAPA and try it out.

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Re: Head/block installation questions-it runs...but have questions
« Reply #57 on: January 25, 2006, 06:02:43 AM »
i had that dreadd smoke , turned out a crack in the lower block between 2 and 4 i think havant stripped it to find it ,

fingers crossed it your inlet
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Re: Head/block installation questions-it runs...but have questions
« Reply #58 on: January 28, 2006, 06:41:27 PM »
I'm about licked.  Pulled the intake manifold, cleaned it up real nice and purty, then put the new intake manifold gasket on.

Still smokes.  This time I left the radiator cap off and ran it for about half an hour.  Slowly climbed up to about half way on the temp guage, then just a bit higher, maybe 60% of the way to the red line.  Spitting a little bit of water out the tailpipe the whole time.  Finally after the half hour or so it starts gurgling water/oil goo out of the radiator.  I turned it off at this point and water just kept coming for a bit.

WTF does that mean?  I've never had a vehicle as fu$^ed up as this thing so I guess I don't know.  The coolant system is full of oil/water/coolant sludge.

I'm about to throw in the towel.  Don't have the time and money to keep dicking with it.  Guess I have to start making plans to move it or something.

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Re: Head/block installation questions-it runs...but have questions
« Reply #59 on: January 28, 2006, 07:29:30 PM »
At this point, I'm at a loss.
If it didn't do this before, why is it doing it now?
What is changed since before when it was running?
List all parts, gaskets etc.
16V or 8V? milage? why did it need to come apart?
lets start over and look at this again from a fresh start.

I'm going to go back and re-read the thread, seems like
I had some of these Qs before but didn't ask.

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