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Re: manual hubs: what I think . . .I think
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2006, 12:15:11 PM »
No manual hubs, the shafts turn, so the cv's do to.  With manual hubs unlocked, the tire/wheel/hub assembly turns, but the shafts don't.
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Re: manual hubs: what I think . . .I think
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2006, 03:48:02 PM »
I have to say I swapped a set of Sammy Aisin hubs onto my '93 Tracker with no problems.  They worked just fine for me.  I have no clue what year they were off of, I never asked and it was about 4 years ago now.

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Re: manual hubs: what I think . . .I think
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2006, 04:41:55 AM »
I have to say I swapped a set of Sammy Aisin hubs onto my '93 Tracker with no problems.  They worked just fine for me.  I have no clue what year they were off of, I never asked and it was about 4 years ago now.

Did you check to see if you still have the circlips and washers holding the cv shafts in place? I would be willing to bet they are missing if the hubs went right on without a thick gasket...
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Re: manual hubs: what I think . . .I think
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2006, 04:50:51 AM »
Samurai to TracKick compatibility?

Hmmm.  I'll have to take a look again.

Until then, I defer to Digger's opinion.

Several other people have reported this problem to me. I have one broken hub so I think I will be trying this swap myself soon.
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Re: manual hubs: what I think . . .I think
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2006, 01:20:15 PM »
So a 1/8 inch gasket to fit Sammy hubs on to a TrackKick. 

I assume a TrackKick manual would go on without any gasket or extra effort then?

Seems if you could find manuals for a TrackKick that would be the way to go

Are they both of the same strength or is the Sammy manual hub stronger


I have Autos and have had no real issues but last weekend I was on a mountain top turnaround and it sounded like the hubs disengaged so I had to make my way, in 2 wheel drive, to a flat spot to make sure the hubs were engaged.  Spooky
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Re: manual hubs: what I think . . .I think
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2006, 03:44:23 PM »
autos have a tendancy to not unlock all the time so you could be running with a locked hub ont he street and not know it casuing the CV's to spin all the time. Also you can put it in 4wd low and crawl along in 2wd with the hubs unlocked (I use this all the time to back up my boat trailer. Much easier to control)
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Re: manual hubs: what I think . . .I think
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2006, 08:33:32 PM »

Are they both of the same strength or is the Sammy manual hub stronger

The Asin Sammy hubs have a stainless steel housing and the Track/Kick hubs are alloy. This would make the Sammy hubs stronger(at least on the outside, structurally) than the Track/Kick hubs...
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Re: manual hubs: what I think . . .I think
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2006, 09:18:18 PM »
Calmini says about the aftermarket manual hubs they sell:

 "Recommend for any Sidekick or Tracker with a suspension lift to help relieve CV stress."

Do manual hubs relieve cv stress over autos and why?

yes, when you lift your rig, the CV angles are steeper even with the axle drop brackets calmini makes and when you have manual hubs they fully unlock and I don't think an auto hub does

I have no idea how an auto hub works, I am only farmiliar with manual ones. I am pretty sure that an auto hub will not leave it unlocked as much and make the CV rotate more than it needs to putting stress on it

like I said, I'm not 100% sure about what I'm talking about but I think it's at least close to correct if nothign else
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Re: manual hubs: what I think . . .I think
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2006, 05:06:52 AM »
like I said, I'm not 100% sure about what I'm talking about but I think it's at least close to correct if nothign else

I was assuming that they meant when used as a replacement for the fixed hubs used on some early models.
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Re: manual hubs: what I think . . .I think
« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2006, 04:22:43 PM »
I was able to get some TrackKick manuals but no washers or nuts.  Hopefully the auto hubs have the same nuts but where would I be able to get the cone washers.  I know on the Sammy manuals it has cone washers so I assume the trackKick manuals do as well.

Would an autozone or dealer carry the washers or am I relegated to go to the local pick a parts?

They seem like gold to someone without them and wanting to swap
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Re: manual hubs: what I think . . .I think
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2006, 12:51:41 PM »
Do all manual hubs use the cone washers?  The circlip on a sidekick should be the same on auto and manual right?  So no gasket would be needed either?

Sorry for the density but this is my first swap and I know my wife is going to flip out if I ruin her family off road outing this weekend

Any assistance is greatly appreciated

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Re: manual hubs: what I think . . .I think
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2006, 08:48:07 PM »
All stock manual hubs use the cone washers. Aftermarket ones like Superwinch or Warn do not. Both Track/kicks and Sammys use the cone washers on the manual hubs.

The circlip on the CV is the same regardless of what hub it had on it, so you can swap Track/kick auto hubs for Track/kick manual hubs without using a thick gasket. But the auto hubs use hex-key style bolts with no cone washers to hold them on and the manual hubs use the 6 sided hex bolts and cone washers in tapered holes. You will need the manual hub's bolts and cone washers to install them correctly. The hex-key bolts from the auto hubs will come loose no matter what you do to them...
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Re: manual hubs: what I think . . .I think
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2006, 10:13:49 AM »
You will need the manual hub's bolts and cone washers to install them correctly. The hex-key bolts from the auto hubs will come loose no matter what you do to them...

So is there something special about the manual hubs hex bolts?  I just got a set of 90's tracker hubs to put on my 02 Tracker.  I made sure to get the cone washers with them, but not the bolts.  The bolts on the 02's drive flanges are 10mm hex bolts, not hex-key bolts, is there something I should look out for?
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Re: manual hubs: what I think . . .I think
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2006, 10:50:33 AM »
Thanks digger

I appreciate the assistance

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Re: manual hubs: what I think . . .I think
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2006, 08:41:57 AM »

So is there something special about the manual hubs hex bolts?  I just got a set of 90's tracker hubs to put on my 02 Tracker.  I made sure to get the cone washers with them, but not the bolts.  The bolts on the 02's drive flanges are 10mm hex bolts, not hex-key bolts, is there something I should look out for?

As far as I know there is nothing special about the bolts themselves. As long as the threads match and the bolts you use are the right length and hardness, they should work.
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