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Offline Heiny57

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How much lift is to much????
« on: October 17, 2006, 02:11:03 PM »
I just got an 88 and am planning on 33's, How much lift can I do before I have alot of u-joint binding. I was thinking of spoa and Hell Creek 4" springs. Has anyone seen this or know any thing about these springs. I was planning on extended yokes also.
Any info good or bad welcome

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Re: How much lift is to much????
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2006, 02:29:36 PM »
Tailgate hinges can be found at samuraisalvage.com
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Re: How much lift is to much????
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2006, 09:42:55 PM »
calmini says you can fit 32 - 33" tires with their complete bolt on spoa kit.
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Re: How much lift is to much????
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2006, 11:24:52 PM »
If you do a five inch spoa you should be able to clear 33's and with a little hammer work should be no rubbing.
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Re: How much lift is to much????
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2006, 07:39:04 AM »
I just got an 88 and am planning on 33's, How much lift can I do before I have alot of u-joint binding. I was thinking of spoa and Hell Creek 4" springs. Has anyone seen this or know any thing about these springs. I was planning on extended yokes also.
Any info good or bad welcome

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PS where can i buy some tailgate hinges?????

 :o  wow. That would give you 8+ inch lift.  Unless your planning on stretching your wheelbase and widening it, id say too high.  With a little careful planning and a little fender trimming, I have fit 35" MTR's under a Spoa sammy with Wrangler leaves and custom mounts that put me at about a 5.5" lift.  I'd recommend to keep it as low as possible while getting everything to work correctly. 33's shouldn't be a prob to fit and make work great with a spoa but, i'd not go the extra lift springs.
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Re: How much lift is to much????
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2006, 09:25:26 PM »
I have 31" BF G on my Zuki and could go 33" easy. All I did was SPOA and 3" shackles. I ended up with 9" total of lift. I built everything myself and did my own work. All I use mine for is hunting, Let me find some pic.
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Re: How much lift is to much????
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2006, 01:01:50 AM »
Ignore the "I gotta be higher than the next guy" brigade - I am sure they are making up for other  inadequatcies  ;)

Work on the idea that if you go up make sure you go wide as well - retaining stability is VERY important. If you can stretch the wheel base as well then all the better. 33's are big enough for any Zuk  :) - remember your drive train has to cope with all the extra stress too  ;)

Me, I did a 5" SPOA with flat springs , fitted 33's with big offset to widen my stance. Locked it and geared it, what an awesome truck - just got old and worn out  :-\ - bit like me really  ;D

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Re: How much lift is to much????
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2006, 04:45:59 AM »
Ignore the "I gotta be higher than the next guy" brigade - I am sure they are making up for other  inadequatcies  ;)
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Yep, big tyres give ground clearance, the trick is to get them on there with the minimum lift. If you're going SPOA consider moving the front axle forward a little to get clearance on the footwells.
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Re: How much lift is to much????
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2006, 07:42:38 AM »
Not much to look at but, here are the pictures of mine on 31x10.5x15
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Re: How much lift is to much????
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2006, 07:55:58 AM »
I run a spoa w/ 2" trail tough springs an 3/4" shackles from trail tough, and to me im at my personal limit, ill be running 33" or 34" tires, i wouldnt use a spoa lift and 4" springs with stock axels, id mabe go that high if i was to run yj stuff with yota axels cause u get a wider stance that way!

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Re: How much lift is to much????
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2006, 08:18:06 AM »
Thanks for all the good info keep it coming. I am thinking the 4" springs are over kill. Im looking at sky's basic spoa, their spring pads have offset holes that allow you to move axle's back and forward one inch,??? doesn't that put u bolts at an angle? and less surface for the spring to set on??  Also I will use some 2" shackles, I guess if the tires still rub I might do a home made 1 1/2 pipe body lift.
Another topic: I am having trouble finding wheels with 2, 2 1/2 " backspace, won't 33 hit springs with more? I would like to find Alum. to save weight,,, any advice?????
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Re: How much lift is to much????
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2006, 12:07:04 PM »
Thanks for all the good info keep it coming. I am thinking the 4" springs are over kill. Im looking at sky's basic spoa, their spring pads have offset holes that allow you to move axle's back and forward one inch,??? doesn't that put u bolts at an angle? and less surface for the spring to set on??  Also I will use some 2" shackles, I guess if the tires still rub I might do a home made 1 1/2 pipe body lift.
Another topic: I am having trouble finding wheels with 2, 2 1/2 " backspace, won't 33 hit springs with more? I would like to find Alum. to save weight,,, any advice?????

I think you are on the right track now!  ;D  The springs will still be flat on the perches, but just moved an inch forward. U-bolts will still look and perform like normal.  The 2" shackles will only lift it an extra inch and use bumpstop extensions to control tire rub at full stuff. Try not to do any body lift if possible.

Try spidertrax, rro, trailtough, and any of the other zuk vendors for the wheels you need. I was able to use regular alum rims on mine with 33's and standard backspaceing with a little spring rub on full steer.  Of coarse I was running TSL swampers and it was a large thunk thunk thunk as the tires went by the springs.   :)  Although I have seen tires rub real bad on zuk springs. Might be in the rims themselves as to what the exact backspaceing really ends up as. I mean one manufacture might have their standard backspaceing as 3.75 and another 3.5 ect. 
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Re: How much lift is to much????
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2006, 01:29:16 PM »
Not much to look at but, here are the pictures of mine on 31x10.5x15


Looks good, my son had  those same wheels on an S-10, he's the one pushing taller, and 33's
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Re: How much lift is to much????
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2006, 06:54:48 PM »
warning about 2" shackles from my past exp. they dont do alot for you just ground clearence, i go with trail toughs bone shackles, there  3/4" of lift but the work good an there really durable make sure and get rid of the stock bushings!
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Re: How much lift is to much????
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2006, 01:36:30 PM »
Does anyone run CJ springs, or know how much they lift, I'm trying to get 6" lift and control axle wrap I hear about.

Or what is advantage of CJ's if any,
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