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Offline adamd

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« Reply #75 on: June 17, 2005, 02:56:38 AM »
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Thanks for the very cool response.


Good, I thought I was going to start a flame fest with that!  ;D
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« Reply #76 on: June 17, 2005, 03:12:44 AM »
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« Reply #77 on: June 17, 2005, 03:33:52 AM »
Group hug ??   ;D

Kiss and make up ??   :-*

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Re: This hurts. See this post.
« Reply #78 on: June 17, 2005, 04:43:52 AM »
This woman lied. Her statement is libelous. She's either stupid as I originally stated or so unbelievably starved for the attention and acceptance that she thinks she'll receive here by repeating what is now "something she heard" - is sick at best. Not only is this woman not going to recieve an apology from this company or from me, she needs to retract her statement. I don't care what her intentions are/were. She can post them in her retraction. But I'm going to say it again. Don't lie here, and you won't hear from me here. Here's the deal now. The lieing about our company here is over. I am prepared, no matter how long it takes, to go nose to nose, line by line, with everyone here that has decided that this is their business to talk about. We've been in business 26 years, and we've done that with great products and great service. We stand behind our products. If you have a complaint, it will be either proven or disproven, and we pledge to fix ANY legitimate issue.

Steve Kramer
CALMINI Products Inc.

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« Reply #79 on: June 17, 2005, 04:55:18 AM »
Lets go over it line by line.
So she said this:

"From what I can gather, what I've seen and from Steve's own comments."
This means from all of the information she's collected.

"I'm pretty sure calmini's falling back (pulling out) from Suzuki all together."
She thinks that you're leaving the market.

"Since Suzuki's not really releasing any new models that he's interested in."
Canning the kick SAS kit, removing some products from your offering, missed delivery dates and poor customer service.

"I don't think he cares anymore"
This is an opinion of hers.  Not libel.

"Nissan's his new cash cow"
It's obvious you've got to be making more money from Nissans and thusly relying more of your business on your Nissan product line.

"I'm not sure who makes the tcase gears, but I do know that any ring and pinions are made from Richmond gear, not in house."
We recieved our Calmini t-case gears which looked clearly like they were made by Richmond gear.

"But I don't think Richmond's going to be making any more suzuki gears (such as 5.83's) for Calmini anymore."
5.83 are temporarily unavailable, other peoples calls to Calmini and Richmond seem to have painted this picture pretty clearly.

"Anyway...
Wean off of Calmini and make your own crap, or buy from Trailtough. "
Pretty good advice.  We had to resort to making our own.

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There we have it, line by line. "Toe-to-Toe"

Call me stupid, but this makes pretty good sense to me.
I don't see anything libelous.
Doesn't look like she's out looking for attention.
And certainly not stupid.

~Nate

I'll stop now.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2005, 05:04:39 AM by natebert »

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« Reply #80 on: June 17, 2005, 04:57:13 AM »
I agree with cwkick.........group hug
this topic needs to end nowway to much ugly going on

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« Reply #81 on: June 17, 2005, 05:17:17 AM »
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This woman lied. Her statement is libelous. She's either stupid as I originally stated or so unbelievably starved for the attention and acceptance that she thinks she'll receive here by repeating what is now "something she heard" - is sick at best. Not only is this woman not going to recieve an apology from this company or from me, she needs to retract her statement. I don't care what her intentions are/were. She can post them in her retraction. But I'm going to say it again. Don't lie here, and you won't hear from me here. Here's the deal now. The lieing about our company here is over. I am prepared, no matter how long it takes, to go nose to nose, line by line, with everyone here that has decided that this is their business to talk about. We've been in business 26 years, and we've done that with great products and great service. We stand behind our products. If you have a complaint, it will be either proven or disproven, and we pledge to fix ANY legitimate issue.

Steve Kramer
CALMINI Products Inc.



Steve,

am sorry that this has happened.  I  am very good friends with Tim Walters and friends too with Kerry Wittig. I have heard the mp3 that Kerry has and have followed this thread. I have stuck up for your Company too.  I spoke with Tim last week and he and I discussed Gon Zookin this year and your stand point and I feel ashamed for the suzuki comuunity on the web as "Tim feels" you see it.  I am very sorry.  Please feel free to call me any time you would like an ear to listen.

Jeff Johnson
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« Reply #82 on: June 17, 2005, 05:51:03 AM »
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This woman lied. Her statement is libelous. She's either stupid as I originally stated or so unbelievably starved for the attention and acceptance that she thinks she'll receive here by repeating what is now "something she heard" - is sick at best. Not only is this woman not going to recieve an apology from this company or from me, she needs to retract her statement. I don't care what her intentions are/were. She can post them in her retraction. But I'm going to say it again. Don't lie here, and you won't hear from me here. Here's the deal now. The lieing about our company here is over. I am prepared, no matter how long it takes, to go nose to nose, line by line, with everyone here that has decided that this is their business to talk about. We've been in business 26 years, and we've done that with great products and great service. We stand behind our products. If you have a complaint, it will be either proven or disproven, and we pledge to fix ANY legitimate issue.

Steve Kramer
CALMINI Products Inc.


Steve, I am a customer of yours and am ashamed at what you are saying here. You have fallen into the interweb trap of replying to rumors and inuendo with harsh comments that paint your company in a bad light.

You need to take the high road and appologize. Heather may have started a rumor of you leaving the Suzuki market (big deal ::) ) but you have outright called someone stupid and insulted them. what you have said is more slanderous than her comments.

As a person that is patiently waiting for my kick lift kit I sure hope you don't treat all your customers like this. If there was another alternative for a well made lift kit I would be ordering from them.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2005, 05:52:26 AM by chet »
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Re: This hurts. See this post.
« Reply #83 on: June 17, 2005, 07:07:26 AM »
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We stand behind our products. If you have a complaint, it will be either proven or disproven, and we pledge to fix ANY legitimate issue.

Steve Kramer
CALMINI Products Inc.


My experences with Calmini.

I have been using Calmini products for 6 yrs now and I have to say that any time that I have had any issues they where always taken care of with one or two phone calls.  I have plans to build a kicker up in the next year or two and have no doubts that I will happily be using Calmini parts.  

Steve's words may have been harsh but you build a company from the ground up that you are proud of and see how it feels to have people rip on it.  Especially if you have just helped them or a group of them out only to find out they are talk sh!t about your stuff.  I would bet you would be pissed too.

George W. Laubin
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« Reply #84 on: June 17, 2005, 07:16:41 AM »
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Steve's words may have been harsh but you build a company from the ground up that you are proud of and see how it feels to have people rip on it.  Especially if you have just helped them or a group of them out only to find out they are talk sh!t about your stuff.  I would bet you would be pissed too.


I have to agree with you!

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« Reply #85 on: June 17, 2005, 07:18:22 AM »
Ok, I thought I would add my .02 just like everyone else.  Here is how I see things.

While spreading rumors is not a good thing to do if you have no basis on which to stand, I feel that Heather has at least some ground to stand on with her comments.  She has spent what I would call a considerable amount of money on Calmini products, and it is also fairly clear to see why someone would think that the Suzuki market would be worth pulling out from a large perspective.  Suzuki is obviously not making anything, and hasn't for some time, that would warrant hard-core off-roading IMO, so there is no new market.  When you add that with the fact that these trucks aren’t' getting any newer, so the market will eventually shrink, one could reasonably see why you would want to pull out.

While perhaps part of her statements could have been left off, or perhaps worded slightly different, I don’t think it warranted the response she received.  The response was handled COMPLETELY wrong.  By going into a name bashing routine by someone that had negative comments ONLY PROVES THEIR POINT MORE.  

There have been several people on here that have said his response was completely reasonable.  I really fail to see the logic in this; forums are a public setting that hundreds if not thousands of people can see.  Move this scenario to another setting, let's say you are up on stage demonstrating you product, a person expresses their opinion in the crowd, you stop the demonstration to ask them if they are stupid, bash their character, their background in an extremely childish manner all while still on microphone in front of thousands of people.  How many people do you think are going to walk out on you, and with good reason at that? The general thought would be "These people are |removethispart|@ssholes, screw this". This is no different.  This is a customer that has spent considerable amounts of money that expressed their opinion or what they believe to be the truth that very few know at all, I wouldn't know if she was a credible source of truth, sure I have seen her on the forums and everything she has said in the past has been legitimate so I have a basis for believing her, but take the handful of people that said they had never heard of Calmini that were new to the game that could easily brush off what she had said, but now that YOU publicly bash and degrade her, YOUR name is tied to Calmini, YOU are the one that has damaged getting any future or further business with these people, not her. Myself personally I have never even heard of pirate4x4 and would have never seen the comment if you had not replied in the manner you did. In fact it wasn't until your response that the general "mass" in the post say they would not purchase anything from you, and then to come back a second time and not only not apologize for flying off the handle but to bash yet again...it is a sad day in the consumer world when an owner of a business thinks that is anywhere near reasonable.  

An appropriate response would have been something as follows:
"I am sorry you feel that way, if there is anything we can do to help you or mend our relationships with our customers we will do everything we can.  Let me assure you that Calmini has no intention of getting out of the Suzuki game, and we are striving to come up with new innovative products daily and working diligently on catching up with the backorder of products we currently have.  Please accept our apologies for any problems this may have caused.  If you have any questions please contact me directly at ______ "
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« Reply #86 on: June 17, 2005, 07:18:35 AM »
(Sorry, my post was two long so it is two part)

I have only ordered one thing from Calmini before a long time ago and my personal experience wasn't that great, as well as I have heard from other people that have ordered, and recently it seems everybody is having more problems with ship dates, and actually getting products.  I ordered a 3" body lift, when I ordered they said it would be 2-3 weeks....fine...it was told before, so I knew how long I had to wait. My card was charged and I didn't see the product in 2-3 weeks.  After several months of calling and getting new ship dates I finally got my order, which I think I had canceled two weeks prior to that and was waiting on a refund and was in the process of making my own lift.  The kit was less than stellar anyway, bolts weren't long enough, brackets didn't fit quite correctly, I ended up fabricating half of it anyway.  Granted I know you can't take into account every model made and maybe there were differences, Suzukis were a new seemingly small field unlike jeeps or Z71 kits which I would expect to fit exactly.  I just brushed it off, and knew that if I ordered anything from them in the future it would be like that movie The Money Pit, "How long, About two weeks...." (If you haven't seen the movie that will make no sense)

With that said I have heard many people proclaim the quality of Calmini products, and let's face it they really make the only top notch parts on the market for these trucks, and I am positive that if the people that ordered parts got an honest expected date that wasn't moved every month for 6 months they would be ok with that because they wouldn’t' get excited over "new parts syndrome", the can't sleep anticipation of waiting for new toys every month only to be let down.  Customer Service is the life of any business. Sure there are going to be one or two that just won't be happy, but there seem to be more than a few, and you don't publicly bash them.  Its like fist fighting someone with diarrhea, win or lose you end up with sh!t all over you.  The easiest way to do with a load of unhappy customers is to improve the service you giving them, catch up on orders and do what you can to get orders out, maybe even work ahead on parts to keep in stock in case there is a rush...just a thought.

Sure Calmini makes a great product, sure you are going to get mad if someone says otherwise, sure Steve might be a great guy, but I was appalled at the lack of professionalism and dignity that he presented in responding to Heathers comments. Also as far as Nate being mad about the attack on his wife….would anyone here react differently if the same was said about their wife/gf?  I hope not, if so that is just sad on your part if you let the one you love be attacked without saying anything.

So what did we learn?  The comment probably shouldn’t have been made, Steve shouldn’t have responded in the manner he did.  There lesson learned, everyone hug and go outside and play! :D
« Last Edit: June 17, 2005, 07:20:43 AM by toolman21 »
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Re: This hurts. See this post.
« Reply #87 on: June 17, 2005, 09:38:49 AM »
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This woman lied. Her statement is libelous. She's either stupid as I originally stated or so unbelievably starved for the attention and acceptance that she thinks she'll receive here by repeating what is now "something she heard" - is sick at best. Not only is this woman not going to recieve an apology from this company or from me, she needs to retract her statement. I don't care what her intentions are/were. She can post them in her retraction. But I'm going to say it again. Don't lie here, and you won't hear from me here. Here's the deal now. The lieing about our company here is over. I am prepared, no matter how long it takes, to go nose to nose, line by line, with everyone here that has decided that this is their business to talk about. We've been in business 26 years, and we've done that with great products and great service. We stand behind our products. If you have a complaint, it will be either proven or disproven, and we pledge to fix ANY legitimate issue.

Steve Kramer
CALMINI Products Inc.


Im with you 100% i woudl do the same damn thing, u spent many years obviously building your company.


Good for You

PS. i kinda like yer cut the crap attitude, and get right to buisness, no pussy footin around any subjects
« Last Edit: June 17, 2005, 10:28:40 AM by 92Sidekick4x4 »

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« Reply #88 on: June 17, 2005, 10:20:12 AM »
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This woman lied. Her statement is libelous. She's either stupid as I originally stated or so unbelievably starved for the attention and acceptance that she thinks she'll receive here by repeating what is now "something she heard" - is sick at best. Not only is this woman not going to recieve an apology from this company or from me, she needs to retract her statement. I don't care what her intentions are/were. She can post them in her retraction. But I'm going to say it again. Don't lie here, and you won't hear from me here. Here's the deal now. The lieing about our company here is over. I am prepared, no matter how long it takes, to go nose to nose, line by line, with everyone here that has decided that this is their business to talk about. We've been in business 26 years, and we've done that with great products and great service. We stand behind our products. If you have a complaint, it will be either proven or disproven, and we pledge to fix ANY legitimate issue.

Steve Kramer
CALMINI Products Inc.



I disagree with the lieing. Since when was an opinion a lie?

This post shall probably polarize us even more, people who think your response was totally wrong, no matter you are Steve from Calmini or whoever else. This is a matter of someone insulting some else.

If this person happens to be the owner of a company, I would (and will) stay clear from it.

You can say whatever you want, as can we.

By the way, with the building from ground uo thing... Look around! I'd say about 90% of companies are built from the ground up (ie, not having a big amount of money to start with). I have NEVER seen this type of response from an owner. Not only one response (OK, maybe it was in a moment of anger), but will continue to respond that way. So this is how Calmini treats people. Definitely, I will stay clear.
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« Reply #89 on: June 17, 2005, 10:49:20 AM »
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Steve's words may have been harsh but you build a company from the ground up that you are proud of and see how it feels to have people rip on it.  Especially if

did Steve start Calmini?  i heard differently.

stu
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