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Re: FLAT TOWING (HELPPPPP)
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2004, 04:28:07 PM »
Yep, axles would be about $350 ea  :o
Really it's not that much, but for stock
size axles, I wouldn't pay that much.

I need to see if I can swap a 27 to 30
spline side gear in there instead, perhaps
Toyota Hubs or the guts thereof into
a Sam/Track/Kick hub, this would be as
strong as a Dana 44 I think and worth
the $$, also it might be easier to find the
splined stock Wayne speaks of, could drop
the overall cost to a similar figure as the
Calmini replacement axles for the Track/Kicks

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Re: FLAT TOWING (HELPPPPP)
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2004, 01:03:55 AM »
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Yep, axles would be about $350 ea  :o
Really it's not that much, but for stock
size axles, I wouldn't pay that much.

I need to see if I can swap a 27 to 30
spline side gear in there instead, perhaps
Toyota Hubs or the guts thereof into
a Sam/Track/Kick hub, this would be as
strong as a Dana 44 I think and worth
the $$, also it might be easier to find the
splined stock Wayne speaks of, could drop
the overall cost to a similar figure as the
Calmini replacement axles for the Track/Kicks

Wild


$350 is not that much but for half that I got d44s for the jeep and for $350 I will have them under there with a rear locker.

I know thw yota stuff will go into a sammy hub you need to cut it but I cant remember where or how much. but it will go in. Are they 30 spline? ive never thought to count ??? I think your side gears would be the prob with only 26 or 27 slines. me presonaly I want the weak link out at the hub. easier to change on the trail.

some time next year I should get the clocking tail stock for the mill, then I will try to cut some full floating  axles out of the stockers see if I can make it work.

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Re: FLAT TOWING (HELPPPPP)
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2004, 02:59:11 AM »
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I will try to cut some full floating  axles out of the stockers see if I can make it work.


Won't the stockers be way too short to use?  I think you would need them longer to get them into the hubs.  
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Re: FLAT TOWING (HELPPPPP)
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2004, 03:44:21 AM »
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Won't the stockers be way too short to use?  I think you would need them longer to get them into the hubs.  


yeah you may be right but axles are plentiful at my place ;) I may have to cut down something else.

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Re: FLAT TOWING (HELPPPPP)
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2004, 04:09:16 AM »
Man, I got to get over there and play
in your toy shop  :D  I could build all
sorts of funstuff with the machines
you have

Sammy and Track/Kick rear axles are 26
splines, I'm looking for easier to get splined
axles and gain some strength, tho I have
only slightly twisted a rear axle, doing donuts
in a sand wash at Tierra Del Sol, and ripped
up a 60 Lb boulder, as well as lunched a 235
AT short tread tire, no biggy, but this was under
9 PSI boost  ;D, I made the axle into a rear axle
puller, just to get the rear of Shoyrtt's Sammy apart

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Re: FLAT TOWING (HELPPPPP)
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2004, 08:25:47 AM »
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Man, I got to get over there and play
in your toy shop  :D  I could build all
sorts of funstuff with the machines
you have

Sammy and Track/Kick rear axles are 26
splines, I'm looking for easier to get splined
axles and gain some strength, tho I have
only slightly twisted a rear axle, doing donuts
in a sand wash at Tierra Del Sol, and ripped
up a 60 Lb boulder, as well as lunched a 235
AT short tread tire, no biggy, but this was under
9 PSI boost  ;D, I made the axle into a rear axle
puller, just to get the rear of Shoyrtt's Sammy apart

Wild


Was thinking about it and a long side sammy axle should be long enough to cut splines on. I hear all sorts of axle breaking stories but never see much proof at least for the rear. Birfs are another story.

Lots of my toys are not mine they are friends that don't have the room or I trade work for the use of their stuff. I do have a good shop but not a full mahine shop  ......yet ;D

I need your imagineering input on a little project I got going so after the holidays we gotta schedule some shop time.

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Wayne
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Re: FLAT TOWING (HELPPPPP)
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2004, 10:07:35 AM »
Jim want's to know when I was going to see you,
I was thinking about between Christmas and
New year, but I don't know if you have time as
it's a busy time of year. PM me with some ideas
of your project, I can start the wheels spinning
and be working on it before I get there
« Last Edit: December 21, 2004, 10:08:30 AM by wildgoody »
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Re: FLAT TOWING (HELPPPPP)
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2004, 09:16:40 AM »
 Well according to Suzuki, the way you should tow a manual trans Suzuki is to put the transmission in second gear and the t-case in neutral. That way you won't have any parasitic drag from the trans trying to turn. The trans wasn't designed to turn idley like that for great distances. The auto you put in park and the case in neutral. Hope that helps. If you don't want the extra miles from flat towing, remove the speedo cable at the t-case.
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Re: FLAT TOWING (HELPPPPP)
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2004, 05:54:49 AM »
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ok guys
I flat towed my 96 tracker automatic today, here what I did, I put the trans in neutral and t-case in neutral and after a 10 mile drive at speeds of 55 I stopped to find out that there was gear lube everywhere. I started freaking out thinking that I just fried my BRAND new 4.24 t-case gears, but after further inspection everthing seems to be fine. my ? is should I have taken the driveshaft out and where did all the gear lube come from?

any help would be appreciated.

thanks
pat


I made an A frame up yesterday and towed mine about 6 Km with the hubs unlocked,  G/Box in 2nd, T/case in neutral (all as the owners manual said) and got the same thing oil p!ssing outa the T/case which has done less then 10 hr's work since new 4:24s when in.

All my seals are new so it's got me stumped as well.
I'm going to tow my G/Friends one with stock T/case gears the same way just to check and see if it's some thing to do with the 4:24's but I can't see it making any difference  ???

Looks like I'll be dropping the D/Shaft from now on.

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Re: FLAT TOWING (HELPPPPP)
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2004, 06:13:52 AM »
I am with you, the safer the better. gears are not cheap. one scare is one too many for me.

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Re: FLAT TOWING (HELPPPPP)
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2004, 08:26:26 AM »
Make sure the breather vent is
screwed into the T-case, could
be oil just slinging out of the case.
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Re: FLAT TOWING (HELPPPPP)
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2004, 04:34:17 PM »
I think mine had some thing to do with the water/oil mix I found in the T/case tonight

It appears that in my rush to put it back together I  :-[ forgot to put the rubber boot on the T/case lever down properly thus allowing sh!t loads of water to get in which appear to looked like foamed oil coming out.

I think I'll have another crack at towing it and see what happens with out the water. ;D

It still won't keep me out of the water thou  ;D




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Re: FLAT TOWING (HELPPPPP)
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2004, 05:25:15 PM »
No, that would have been foaming
water and oil coming out, oil goes to
the top when water is in it, drain, change
and re-drain, you might have to flush
it twice to get the water out
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Re: FLAT TOWING (HELPPPPP)
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2004, 05:38:31 PM »
Wild,

G/box oil and water mixed throughly looks like white sauce, I seen it many times - hence why I oil sample everything in the Escudo even the power steer oil  ::).
after river wheeling

I drained it, flushed it with a mild degreaser then twice again with diesel until it ran clean then put fresh oil in it which will be dropped after a few hr's wheeling.

Checking and dumping oil is just another thing you get use to if you play in water alot, along with C/Vs and diff housing etc etc ;D ;D.
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Re: FLAT TOWING (HELPPPPP)
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2004, 05:44:29 PM »
 ;) Good Job

Sorry to see your cracked diff
housing, see those rust marks
from the bracket moving, thats
what kills those (right side)
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