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Re: More Power...
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2005, 02:50:36 PM »
whats 60 mph= in kms?

my lug nuts require more torque then my engine makes ;)

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Re: More Power...
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2005, 04:32:01 PM »
You want more power, there is always
my way, muhuhuhahaha   ;D



Now for the MPH to Kmh conversion
60 MPH is about 98 Km/h,
62 MPH is 100 Km/h

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Re: More Power...
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2005, 04:34:07 PM »
dam i dont get 100 kmh goin up hills i get botu 90, and about 80 when im towin my quad

my lug nuts require more torque then my engine makes ;)

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Re: More Power...
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2005, 05:01:13 PM »
I just added a custom grind cam to my 8Valve last weekend. I havent gotten a full tank of fuel through it and the timings a little off. But so far Ive noticed better driveability and less needed rpms to get around. Throttle response is much better and it takes less pedal to get up and down the highway.  Its not a miracle worker, its better in high, but the gain in 4low is going to be much better.  1st through 3rd pull way better now than ever and the motors got almost 200000kms on it.  Cam is from a place in Langley BC. Called Colt Cams. http://www.coltcams.com/  Jeff the owner makes custom grinds for any motor running anything.  Im going to give it a couple more weeks to see about fuel milage and get my timing checked. So far its going well and is a good improvement.
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Re: More Power...
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2005, 11:54:16 PM »
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I just added a custom grind cam to my 8Valve last weekend. I havent gotten a full tank of fuel through it and the timings a little off. But so far Ive noticed better driveability and less needed rpms to get around. Throttle response is much better and it takes less pedal to get up and down the highway.  Its not a miracle worker, its better in high, but the gain in 4low is going to be much better.  1st through 3rd pull way better now than ever and the motors got almost 200000kms on it.  Cam is from a place in Langley BC. Called Colt Cams. http://www.coltcams.com/  Jeff the owner makes custom grinds for any motor running anything.  Im going to give it a couple more weeks to see about fuel milage and get my timing checked. So far its going well and is a good improvement.


Got any timing specs for that new cam?
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Re: More Power...
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2005, 06:06:12 AM »
why is it so hard to get more power out of a zuki motor , or is it . i wouldnt think 100hp+ should be no problem out of a 1.6 , not a dig deal with any other motor . or is it lack of aftremarket sopport ?

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Re: More Power...
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2005, 07:08:05 AM »
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why is it so hard to get more power out of a zuki motor , or is it . i wouldnt think 100hp+ should be no problem out of a 1.6 , not a dig deal with any other motor . or is it lack of aftremarket sopport ?


There's really not much you can do with a 16V aftermarket wise aside from a turbo really. Maybe on a dyno with a MS hooked to a laptop.

At 3800RPM with 33's the older 5th 5.14 Calmini (with a head wind up hill "Slightly") Im rockin 72MPH,,, No problem!!! All day. I havent even tried top speed. Over 70's freeky enough for me. GPS verified!!

A 8V can out power a 16V no problem. No one (FI Guy's) realizes a WEBER on a 1.6 gives you almost the same comparison in HP from going from a 1.3 to a 1.6 IMO,,,,I didn'y Dyno it. Whats FI stock like 2 Hp more than a carb. AND they can be set up to run upside down don't even start that. Iv got a 1.6 8V with a Weber, ported intake, I ported the head a bit, DT header, 2.5 exaust, underdrive pully and I retarted the cam/crank timing a tooth. And I'll whoop on a 16V. But its turbo time so Im switchin to FI for that reason ONLY.

No computer, harness is for lights only,,,and with NO emissions equipment aside from a CAT I passed NJ inspection no problem.


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Re: More Power...
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2005, 07:16:13 AM »
     I don't think it's any harder to get power out of a 1.6/8v than anyother engine I've ever raced. The hard part I think is to get power where it's useful for a 4wd.
    Check out "Wildgoody's" website, he went turbo and got good results. You can also check out the threads"high performance engine glitch" or "pics of zaggy's engine" to see what I've done to get 90-100hp|removethispart|@5000rpm. Bear in mind you don't need all the wild internal stuff I've done because you won't be running the steady high rpm.
    With the cam I just recieved I'm now expecting to hit 105-110hp|removethispart|@6000rpm. Which is a little more than I was targeting.

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Re: More Power...
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2005, 07:30:55 AM »
Wildgoodies been hookin me up on the Turbo knowledge. ;) Im working the same setup as him Im just using a T3 and an eclipse IC. Im waiting for fall to do it though. It's too nice out to be messing with a good thing right now.

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Re: More Power...
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2005, 08:50:36 AM »
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why is it so hard to get more power out of a zuki motor , or is it . i wouldnt think 100hp+ should be no problem out of a 1.6 , not a dig deal with any other motor . or is it lack of aftermarket sopport ?



I don't think it is, the 1.6 Swift GTI sold over here used a variant of the SOHC 16V engine used in the Track/Kick and made 115bhp. I don't know if there is a lack of aftermarket support either there are a lot of modified Swifts about. I think the real reason that you don't see many tuned Track/Kicks is that tuned engines don't generally suit offroading where you want lots of nice smooth power low down the rev range for trickling along in low range. Wild will obviously disagree but I think generally off road types are more inclined to their time and money into suspension.
I also think that in time the 2ltr swap could become as popular as a 1.6 into a Sammy. It just needs a few people to do it first to show that it is practicable.
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Re: More Power...
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2005, 05:53:52 PM »
what about a supercharger? would that be an easier setup? ive seen bolt on superchargers that werent much bigger than a gm alt. looks kinda like a belt driven turbo fan . would that require as much electronics work . like the megasquirt? dont wana go carbrater .seems too much like moveing backwards .especally for offroading .

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Re: More Power...
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2005, 02:23:51 AM »
any forced induction should have a good FI system and a good computer to control everything. its pretty tricky to get things forced inducted right.

turbos and superchargers will increase power by a substantial amount through the rev range, but it comes down to driving style. do you need all those RPMs? some will say yes, others wouldn't mind it, but for off roading, where torque and crawling are needed, then maybe its not so practical then. but with mud and fun country driving, it couldn't get any better.

as with ATMO engines, or NA, power increase is less substantial, and you can get your motor flowing good, with better mid range torque. and if you want to go the works, with internals, or cam, or even if you increase compression, you can have a pretty strong and powerful motor (1.6), but, the peak power may be as high in the revs as a forced inducted motor. NA built motors can have the potential to over rev forced induction motors.

and if people are looking for cheap power? theres really no cheap way. but if you're looking for cheap torque, get some reduction transfer gears (or lower diff ratios) it will be cheaper in the long run, as compared to an engine swap, or trying to fit and tune a custom turbo or supercharger set up (when including all parts and custom work etc etc).
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Re: More Power...
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2005, 03:01:26 AM »
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I also think that in time the 2ltr swap could become as popular as a 1.6 into a Sammy. It just needs a few people to do it first to show that it is practicable.

I think your right on this, there's not enough people doing engine swaps to get any good, accurate information on how difficult or easy it is, and show exactly what's involved.
« Last Edit: May 28, 2005, 03:02:04 AM by uncivilized »

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Re: More Power...
« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2005, 08:57:29 AM »
An often misunderstood thing about turbo
and supercharged applications is that they
only work in the high RPM ranges, and rightly
so, as most of these applications are in high
performance high RPM sports cars.

The real truth about Forced Induction is that it
can be what you want it to be, you can make 5 PSI
boost in 15 feet from a stop sign, ask me how I
know  ;)  you can also set up the drive in a supercharger
to boost at lower RPM range, depending on the
unit, a positive displacement supercharger like a
Roots type will boost the same PSI from throttle
opening thru max engine RPM

A Paxton style, like the one mentioned boosts at
a variable rate, similar to a turbocharger, the boost
doubles with the square of the RPM that is is running
at, this is due to the non positive displacement nature
of this type of pump.

So this being said, a small well matched turbo will boost
at a low RPM, and yes even at low speeds in low range,
but it doesn't do a lot at 2000 RPM, which is just over
idle in a 1.6 engine, and a turbo is also not like a light
switch, there is a range of boost that can be controled with your right foot, more foot, more boost, up to the
preset waste gate max boost PSI

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Re: More Power...
« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2005, 12:38:26 PM »
you guys cant go past 60?  with my 33s and stock drivetrain, my speedo regularly hits 120km/h plus factor in the bigger tires... gotta be around 80mph. And I used to drive like that 80 miles each way to work
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