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Offline Salice_q

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fuel pump fuse/relay????
« on: March 07, 2005, 06:02:19 PM »
I have a 89 tracker. There is no power getting to my fuel pump the pump itself is working.  In the book it says there is a fuel pump relay and fuse.  I can't find either.  Any help? Is it in with the regular fuses, fuse box or elsewhere? Any input would be appciated.

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« Last Edit: March 07, 2005, 06:35:36 PM by salice_q »
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Re: fuel pump fuse/relay????
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2005, 02:16:18 AM »
These are some online pics I loaded to my server
they could help to figure out if it's the relay or
the fuse

http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/124.jpg
http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/125.gif

Hope this helps, I didn't find any info on the fuse,
but I think it's in the fuse block under the dash,
close to your left knee

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Re: fuel pump fuse/relay????
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2005, 08:25:11 AM »
thank you for that little hard to make out but I have the same book and they arn't where they say they are in the book.  But I do not have a cover for my fuse box.  Anybody know where a good picture of the cover is??
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Re: fuel pump fuse/relay????
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2005, 04:48:18 PM »
I have a cover, I looked today
and didn't see a fuse listed for
the fuel pump, that doesn't mean
that one of those fuses isn't in the
power supply circuit, it's just not
labled for it

I have shorted the relay before to
drain the fuel tank during my rebuild
4 years ago, you have to turn on the
ignition for it to pump tho

Also, open the pics in your browser,
not in another program, the detail is
much better
« Last Edit: March 08, 2005, 04:51:37 PM by wildgoody »
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Re: fuel pump fuse/relay????
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2005, 01:20:07 PM »
I'm running into a similar problem re-wiring the Tracker I just got. Does the fuel pump hot wire go straight from the relay to the pump, or does it route through the ECM along the way? Based off the voltage I'm getting, I suspect a bad relay...

Edit: well, after further digging around, I found the fuel pump relay. I determined that it's getting power in on the switched circut, but it's not sending any power out. The relay itself tests fine out of the vehicle, it switches on and off with 12 volt power applied to the coil terminals, but in the vehicle it's not getting the signal to switch on... Now I'm starting to suspect bad ECM. The fuse must be good if the switched side is getting 12 volt power in, right? I'm about ready to wire in a switch to turn on the pump...
« Last Edit: March 12, 2005, 02:59:14 PM by Digger »
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Re: fuel pump fuse/relay????
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2005, 03:15:36 PM »
I searched on the subject of ECM and came up with the most common failure of the ECM is to loose signal to the fuel pump or the injectors. Hmmm... sounds like my problem... I also saw a post by Whitfield that said something about the main relay right beside the fuel pump relay and that I should get a click out of each one when turning on the key. I don't get a click out of either one. So is it a bad ECM or am I missing something else here? If the trucklet seems to run fine when getting fuel, wont wiring the pump up to a switch work fine then?
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Re: fuel pump fuse/relay????
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2005, 04:20:36 PM »
we got salice's fixed, turned out the wire to the pump was cracked some where, threw a new wire in and it runs better then ever... bit of a strange thing to happen, but meh
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Re: fuel pump fuse/relay????
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2005, 06:15:00 PM »
The ECM does give a signal to the
pump, it will shut off the pump about
3 seconds after the engine stops running,
such as in event of an engine stalling or
a failed start attempt
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Re: fuel pump fuse/relay????
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2005, 03:23:54 AM »
Do you think I would be fine just wiring in a switch? That way I could shut down the fuel pump myself in the event of an emergency... Bring the power to the switch from an ignition switched source so the key would also shut it down... Would work in theory at least...
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Re: fuel pump fuse/relay????
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2005, 07:44:32 AM »
The ECU fuel pump shut off
is a saftey measure, as far
as running it would run fine
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Re: fuel pump fuse/relay????
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2005, 01:55:17 PM »
I understand that the ECU also controls the power to the FI, right? So as long as the damage to my ECM is limited to the fuel pump power supply and the FI runs fine, I should be alright with just a switch to turn on the pump, but if the tracker doesn't run right, then I would suspect the injector control in the ECM is fried, too and I would need a new ECM... Right?

Also I read that the relay beside the fuel pump relay is the "Main" relay and that it should click with the key on as well as the fuel pump relay. What does this control? I'm wondering because that relay doesn't get signal either...
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Re: fuel pump fuse/relay????
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2005, 03:35:33 PM »
You must have a blown fuse or a broken wire,the power relay turns on the ecm and your fuel pump will not run with out that relay working first.
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Re: fuel pump fuse/relay????
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2005, 02:08:55 AM »
Well, first of all the ECM is the fuel
injection. I would take a look at the ignition
switch too, just to make sure you don't have
a worn contact that is causing all your grief,
I wore mine out, had to "remanufacture" it  ;)
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Re: fuel pump fuse/relay????
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2005, 02:48:42 AM »
Every fuse I've found has tested out fine. When I turn the key to "on" all the idiot lights are lit up and I hear a couple clicks from under the hood, as well as a couple of relays near the ECM, but the supposed "main" relay and the fuel pump relay aren't getting the signal to turn on...
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Re: fuel pump fuse/relay????
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2005, 06:57:19 AM »
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You must have a blown fuse or a broken wire,the power relay turns on the ecm and your fuel pump will not run with out that relay working first.


The ECM turns on the main relay. Have you tested the relay itself? Without that switching not a lot is going to happen, the main relay supplies power to the fuel pump relay amonst other things. The ECU switches on the ground side so you won't see any power coming from the ECU. My FSM shows a seperate fuse between the ignition switch and the main relay coil as well as a fuse between the battery/ignition switch and the main relay contacts that switch power to the fule pump relay.
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