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Blown 3.8 or the Good ole 4.3L vortec

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Offline rockrat

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Re: Blown 3.8 or the Good ole 4.3L vortec
« Reply #30 on: December 22, 2005, 09:39:18 PM »
Did someone say Blown 4.3  ;D


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Re: Blown 3.8 or the Good ole 4.3L vortec
« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2005, 11:22:55 PM »
that is sweet looking do you have a pic with the hood closed???

if you can get a civic with a stage 3 drive shaft able to take 700hp then yes you should be able to do IFS but the $700.00 each price tag really takes it out of yah ....this was how much it would have cost me $350 each shaft for my 84 vw jetta since it would be pure custom...now you factor in the shaft angle since I think you do have a suspension lift and I don't know if they would like it. the Yota set up would be far superior than zuki but again the angles and all the other factor and the extra hps.....???
the GTP does have a stronger shaft but it is longer and not much of an angle....the usuall breakage under load is the actual joint not the shaft and under perfect conditions they last but now factor in everything else and only you doing it first then breaking it will tell you....

I think I personally would spend the money on SAS'n it but if you do not off road it much and you are in mud hey you might be ok.....i know the way I drive it would be FUBAR but i still drive like my VW race car....i don't learn very fast.

Try it and let us all know how good and how long it last with either engine you decide.
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Re: Blown 3.8 or the Good ole 4.3L vortec
« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2005, 12:34:12 AM »
well the fact is as long as i don't dump the clutch i shouldn't be snapping anything in the front end however for the rear axle i do think i would need to to a swap to a stronger axle.
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Re: Blown 3.8 or the Good ole 4.3L vortec
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2005, 09:28:22 AM »
Also, don't forget that the average gtp doesn't have 33's and 4.62+ gearing...not to mention low range. 

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Re: Blown 3.8 or the Good ole 4.3L vortec
« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2005, 01:07:43 PM »
Most everone on here understands he needs to do a SAS.  :o
Most everyone on here would have stayed w/ the suzuki engine.   ???
However, he wants to do something different.  :-X   Let's let it be and see how it turns out.  ;) Then we can have a trip up to trask or brown's and really see how it works.  8)
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Re: Blown 3.8 or the Good ole 4.3L vortec
« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2005, 11:29:13 PM »
not like there are shortcoming to trying to get a 1.6 8 valve to put out 1/2 the power of the blown 3.8L such as severly reduced engine life, in the event of engine failure (This is my daily driver) much harder to fix given a suped up 1.6L doesn't have a stock repacment.  A SAS isn't really to feasable to do for it as the IFS gives it a slightly better ride and a new heavier engien will correct my camber issues.  Also a SAS would mean i would have to ditch my expensive Calmini Lift... and i'm not looking forward to wasting that kinda money doing a SAS swap.  the other side note is I don't do serious rock crawling in it, just a little innocent playing in the mud occasionally for the most part its a highway cruiser and does pretty good at it.  So a s-10 front diff and CVs would handle the power fine.  Not to mention they are a lot easier to come by versus the Yota stuff.  ( I live in Chevy Country they are cheap to come by).  The trick Also outside of your obvious statements i've heard about the ability to find new parts for a 4.3 over the 3.8. is which one hasn't been done and which one would make it a unique ride.  So far i have yet to hear of a Kick of a 4.3L conversian done i've heard of Sammys with 4.3L even 350 small blocks.  Thats the real question wouldn't a blown 3.8L kick standout among the crowd?  You guys forget that as long as i don't dump the clutch the Zuki axels will hold... as long as i don't try to show off they will hold the power,  the problem is i do i want to be able to show off a little bit and thats where the gearing with the 33's kinda eats the zuki drive apart.  I'm not tottaly nieve but at the same time i also don't want to hack my zuki apart trying to change the axle my cousin did it to his, when he put a 350 in his sammy.  His current status on that is a Yota frame chopped and shortened to fit the sammy body, and 2 1/2ton military axles hooked to hsi 39's  to keep the power from snapping the axles.. He has the super heavy duty yota axles and was snapping the pinions in them every 3 weeks.  I don't want to be in that situation where i do a SAS swap and because it holds the power fine start breakign stuff and end up with a zuk with 1 ton axels under it.

Heh sorry for the rant, i just feel like it got a little off the original topic which would be "Whats cooler the blown 3.8L or the 4.3L swap"and turned into, "I think this kids nuts trying to put that in there and keep a IFS and the only way to do a V6 swap is to do a SAS"
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Re: Blown 3.8 or the Good ole 4.3L vortec
« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2005, 11:37:00 PM »
It would make more sense in my opinion to have your fast little ricer honda/toyota for daily driving and then your semi-modified sidekick for playing around in.  However, I understand you want to stand out and have something original.  All I was saying is do it, build it (with on of those engines you have in mind), and lets go wheelin'.  happy-happy.  Good luck with it.  Keep us posted w/ pics.  :)
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Re: Blown 3.8 or the Good ole 4.3L vortec
« Reply #37 on: December 28, 2005, 12:25:22 AM »
I intend to when the actual fab start we are going to use a spare frame we have and build all the mounts for the 3.8 in it and do the whole swap that way.  That way i can also do the axle swap under the spare frame and just do the actual conversian faster.  When i do it i'llstart a full Build thread with lots of pictures detailing the mounts (No actual pics of the mounts) heh if this works out good there may be some intrest in it.  after all it would be the most power packed swap for a kick i've heard of.
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Re: Blown 3.8 or the Good ole 4.3L vortec
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2005, 10:42:01 AM »
OK, here I go again...  Back in the early 60's GM made a small aluminum V8 (215 CID that's like about 3.6 L) that they put in the Buick Skylark...  I always thought that would be a good candidate for a swap into a Suzuki...
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Re: Blown 3.8 or the Good ole 4.3L vortec
« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2005, 12:14:03 PM »
OK, here I go again...  Back in the early 60's GM made a small aluminum V8 (215 CID that's like about 3.6 L) that they put in the Buick Skylark...  I always thought that would be a good candidate for a swap into a Suzuki...

I agree...GM should have kept the rights to that engine....imagine how it would have done in the Vega instead of that POS 4cyl they had in there...but those lil V8 engines are getting very hard to find now.

As for 89Kick's dilema...cool factor = 3.8, even cooler would be a 5.7 Vortec with 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton front and rear ends...no problem doing 4 wheel smoky burnouts with that combo ;)

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Re: Blown 3.8 or the Good ole 4.3L vortec
« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2005, 12:43:03 PM »
Didn't the rights to the v8 aluminium engines go to rover? The ones they used in Range Rovers and stuff?

Interesting thread ;)
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Re: Blown 3.8 or the Good ole 4.3L vortec
« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2005, 02:50:33 PM »
Didn't the rights to the v8 aluminium engines go to rover? The ones they used in Range Rovers and stuff?

Interesting thread ;)

Yep...and they're still using that engine

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Re: Blown 3.8 or the Good ole 4.3L vortec
« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2005, 04:40:48 PM »
heh i've seen that combo done only my cousin had 40's remember those super heavy duty axles i was talking about the ones that are stronger than a 3/4 ton, he snapped pinion gears in them left and right, the axles held just everythign in the diff went to hell.  Nice thought though one problem to the 350 combo is where in the heck do i put the radiator? because a 5.7 (350) takes up THE ENTIRE engine compartment....   I agree i think the blown 3.8L would be the cooler combo especially if i get a newer SFI 3800 so the blower would be under the hood.  Talk about a sleeper.... not to mention it would be able to get vertical without the flooding and stalling of that nice Blown 4.3L i saw up the page  ;)  Heh i guess the next question is what kinda hood scoop? because i have a feeling i'm going to need just a little more clearance up top...  Any pictures or ideas would be welcome...  Oh as a side note what blower are you guys using on that 4.3L because i found a 651 blower in my shop which may work out for a 4.3l.....
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