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Re: Trackick on 37! (pics)
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2004, 12:59:01 PM »
wierd tweaks? as in  ( i dotn need details just have NO idea wat u r talking about...)
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Re: Trackick on 37! (pics)
« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2004, 01:06:34 PM »
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To run 35s or 36s you will need to know how to do some pretty wild fabbing


Hmm .... Wild Fabrication, sounds like fun
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Ohh, I got the GIF animator, I was going to
mod the Mike Dude Gif, with hair   ;)

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Re: Trackick on 37! (pics)
« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2004, 01:37:06 PM »
Well here is a quick rundown of my weird tweaks to fit 35s.

(1)I cut the lower control arm brackets and dropped them 1.5 inches.
(2)Then I added a 1.5 inch spacer to the coil
(3)Then I tapered the tie rod holes to the top and flipped them to the top of the knuckle, which is 1.5 inches, the reason I chose 1.5 on (1) and (2).
(4)Massive fender trimming
(5)Moved the floorboards back 2 inches
(6)Changed rear suspension angles to match also.
(1)+(2)+(3)+(4)+(5)+(6)=MAJOR PROJECT!!! ;D
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Re: Trackick on 37! (pics)
« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2004, 01:41:06 PM »
man if i only had money.  it would be scary.

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Re: Trackick on 37! (pics)
« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2004, 02:17:07 PM »
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Well here is a quick rundown of my weird tweaks to fit 35s.

(1)I cut the lower control arm brackets and dropped them 1.5 inches.
(2)Then I added a 1.5 inch spacer to the coil
(3)Then I tapered the tie rod holes to the top and flipped them to the top of the knuckle, which is 1.5 inches, the reason I chose 1.5 on (1) and (2).
(4)Massive fender trimming
(5)Moved the floorboards back 2 inches
(6)Changed rear suspension angles to match also.
(1)+(2)+(3)+(4)+(5)+(6)=MAJOR PROJECT!!! ;D




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Re: Trackick on 37! (pics)
« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2004, 03:58:56 PM »
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Re: Trackick on 37! (pics)
« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2004, 03:34:06 AM »
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....snip....The front of the frame is completely custom.   No stock control arm or diff brackets were used. This would be very difficult to explain......snip.....


From that 3rd picture of looking forward from the rear axle, you can see the custom sub-frame locating the Calmini control arms. You can also see the massively tall coil spacer.  As well as the longer outside lower control arms for the rear axle.

What is surprising, the stock setup of the rear ds is a slip at the output shaft of the t-case. When most other short wheelbase vehicles lift high, there is a vibration due to the amount of slip on the output shaft. Jeep/New Process has a stong following and thus aftermarket provides a slip yoke eliminator (SYE) kit for the t-case. I'm surprised the Suzuki market hasn't caught on with the same. One great benefit from a SYE is that you can remove the rear ds without loosing t-case fluid or getting crap into it.
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Re: Trackick on 37! (pics)
« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2004, 04:03:03 AM »
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Well here is a quick rundown of my weird tweaks to fit 35s.

(1)I cut the lower control arm brackets and dropped them 1.5 inches.
(2)Then I added a 1.5 inch spacer to the coil
(3)Then I tapered the tie rod holes to the top and flipped them to the top of the knuckle, which is 1.5 inches, the reason I chose 1.5 on (1) and (2).
(4)Massive fender trimming
(5)Moved the floorboards back 2 inches
(6)Changed rear suspension angles to match also.
(1)+(2)+(3)+(4)+(5)+(6)=MAJOR PROJECT!!! ;D


I recall you stating something of a centered front diff setup. I would hather a wild hairas$ guess it was from this guys setup.

1. So now, you've done away with the stock rear front crossmember where you did the wider track mod and mod'd the stock front crossmember to accept drop brackets. You've added drop brackets for the lower control arms, sort of the kind of lift that ProComp had designed and that other guy on this list did in NC. (Sorry can't recall name but he used a section of another frame to do it.
Q1. If your buddy performed the center diff location, custom mount the 9" housing, custom mounted for lower control arms, why did he use the Calmini control arms vs making his own custom arms, making them longer in overall width length?
Making them longer provides better geometry throughout the suspension cycle. He could also match the steering tie rod length to match the length of the control arms. There is a lot more to this subject, but it appears I've written too much already.

Q3. Have you thought of using heim joints at the knuckles in place of the stock tie rods? Since you have offset rims to keep tires out farther, that stock bend in the link isn't really necessary.

Another front suspension question: If you've dropped the lower control arm with brackets, have added a 3" body lift, are you looking into adding a custom upper control arm to mount on top of the frame (working with the length of the Calmini arms), shape it to connect to the knuckle strut mount (or use an adapter between them) or would you suggest to keep the strut design setup to keep it simple?

Where are the pics? Are they going to come out in another month for Zukiworld?
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Re: Trackick on 37! (pics)
« Reply #38 on: May 14, 2004, 08:59:19 AM »
I think we need more detailed pics of the front end... this setup is really intriguing, and it's killing me not to be able to see it!  >:(  :(  ;D
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Re: Trackick on 37! (pics)
« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2004, 12:05:46 PM »
There is some real custom spacing here,
similar to the mod I posted, look at the circled
section here at the strut mount

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Re: Trackick on 37! (pics)
« Reply #40 on: May 14, 2004, 12:10:11 PM »
that spacer is
HUGE
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Re: Trackick on 37! (pics)
« Reply #41 on: May 14, 2004, 12:42:26 PM »
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Jeep/New Process has a stong following and thus aftermarket provides a slip yoke eliminator (SYE) kit for the t-case. I'm surprised the Suzuki market hasn't caught on with the same



I think you could do it yourself, the sami flange has the same spline count and "seal surface" as the tracker slip yoke, so it will slide right on and seal correctly. you would just have to tap the tracker output shafts so you can use a bolt to hold the sami flange on. It wouldnt even have to be a huge bolt, because of the slip yoke being on the drive shaft instead, there would not be much "pull" on the flange
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Re: Trackick on 37! (pics)
« Reply #42 on: May 14, 2004, 01:54:28 PM »
That or use a Kick flange, also
the front DS from a Sammy is
almost long enough, if you get one
and lengthen it, you got the slip
shaft and a cool easy custom SYE

Downside is the output of the T-case
is not tapped so a custom drill/tap job
is in order, not a biggie for me but some
guys are more intimidated by this stuff.

Wild
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Re: Trackick on 37! (pics)
« Reply #43 on: May 14, 2004, 03:30:27 PM »
Lotsa questions to answer, so I will cut and paste.

[I recall you stating something of a centered front diff setup. I would hather a wild hairas$ guess it was from this guys setup.]

Actually this was my Idea. I almost did it so I could run 6.50 gears, but decided to stick with the 7.5 for the ground clearance.

[1. So now, you've done away with the stock rear front crossmember where you did the wider track mod and mod'd the stock front crossmember to accept drop brackets. You've added drop brackets for the lower control arms, sort of the kind of lift that ProComp had designed and that other guy on this list did in NC. (Sorry can't recall name but he used a section of another frame to do it.]

I actually dropped the stock stuff rather than fab my own.

[Q1. If your buddy performed the center diff location, custom mount the 9" housing, custom mounted for lower control arms, why did he use the Calmini control arms vs making his own custom arms, making them longer in overall width length? Making them longer provides better geometry throughout the suspension cycle.]

He already had the Calmini lift in this rig before the mod. He is running toyota van balljoint , which widens it by 2 or 3 inches.

[He could also match the steering tie rod length to match the length of the control arms. There is a lot more to this subject, but it appears I've written too much already.]

He did.

[Q3. Have you thought of using heim joints at the knuckles in place of the stock tie rods? Since you have offset rims to keep tires out farther, that stock bend in the link isn't really necessary.]

He did. I chose not to. I dont see the need. I have had no problems with the stock tierods.

Another front suspension question: If you've dropped the lower control arm with brackets, have added a 3" body lift, are you looking into adding a custom upper control arm to mount on top of the frame (working with the length of the Calmini arms), shape it to connect to the knuckle strut mount (or use an adapter between them) or would you suggest to keep the strut design setup to keep it simple?

I like the simplicity and reliability of the strut.

Mike
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Re: Trackick on 37! (pics)
« Reply #44 on: May 14, 2004, 03:50:15 PM »
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What is surprising, the stock setup of the rear ds is a slip at the output shaft of the t-case. When most other short wheelbase vehicles lift high, there is a vibration due to the amount of slip on the output shaft. Jeep/New Process has a stong following and thus aftermarket provides a slip yoke eliminator (SYE) kit for the t-case. I'm surprised the Suzuki market hasn't caught on with the same. One great benefit from a SYE is that you can remove the rear ds without loosing t-case fluid or getting crap into it.


I dont see the need. ??? I broke a rear link once and drove it several miles without a rear shaft. I didnt loose hardly any fluid. As far as drivelive vibration, I have none. If you overrotate the rearaxle and add a spacer, their is almost no angle at all.

Mike
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